Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #19 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

It was a month that she was on the SA website, but I believe she used Tinder for similar relationships, at least that's what she wrote in one of those FB posts giving advice to someone considering the lifestyle. Also, did I hear on that Dateline or somewhere else where her friend said she wasn't too sure about the SA website?

I believe friend featured on Dateline indicated she was unaware ML had a profile on SA, not that it didn't exist. I believe SA profile verified by LE.

 

[Lillymac]

It was a month that she was on the SA website, but I believe she used Tinder for similar relationships, at least that's what she wrote in one of those FB posts giving advice to someone considering the lifestyle. Also, did I hear on that Dateline or somewhere else where her friend said she wasn't too sure about the SA website?

I really couldn't understand what her friend was saying. At first she seemed to want to deny it was fact...then almost as if she just couldn't bring herself to admit it was true. If I remember correctly I think she said the same on the telephone interview here on WS. I believe it was the same girl.
I recorded the ID show and can go back and look if needed.

 

[Lillymac]

I believe friend featured on Dateline indicated she was unaware ML had a profile on SA, not that it didn't exist. I believe that's been verified by LE.

One if them did for sure say she didn't know. The other one didn't want to comment. I'll go back and get her verbiage.

 

[SoCalGirl]

I believe friend featured on Dateline indicated she was unaware ML had a profile on SA, not that it didn't exist. I believe SA profile verified by LE.

I'm sorry. I didn't state that very well - not that the friend wasn't sure whether or not Kenzie had an account on SA (LE has confirmed that she did), but that Kenzie indicated to the friend that she (Kenzie) wasn't sure she liked the SA website.

 

[janewall]

I'm sorry. I didn't state that very well - not that the friend wasn't sure whether or not Kenzie had an account on SA (LE has confirmed that she did), but that Kenzie indicated to the friend that she (Kenzie) wasn't sure she liked the SA website.

Interesting. If that is true, I heartily wish she'd gone with her gut.

 

[OnlyFacts]

I wish I knew where to find it but that PI has a pretty interesting story with the area as well, he used to be an LE officer if I remember right.

I wasn't believing his story on how he met her. Something seemed a bit off.

 

[ilovechili]

I wasn't believing his story on how he met her. Something seemed a bit off.

I have a few thoughts on that too that have crossed my mind. My best guess is it is mostly true but perhaps some details have been left out. Jmo.

 

[katydid23]

I wasn't believing his story on how he met her. Something seemed a bit off.

My gut feeling, at the end of the show, was that he left a few things out of his story.

I am wondering if he and a few potential Sugar Daddies met up with a few potential Sugar Babies, and that is how they met?

 

[Seattle1]

My gut feeling, at the end of the show, was that he left a few things out of his story.

I am wondering if he and a few potential Sugar Daddies met up with a few potential Sugar Babies, and that is how they met?

I think you're correct. I recall the PI's earliest interview included that he was at a bar with a buddy that was meeting a sugar baby there. (He was silent about himself, of course).

Maybe this was a popular night spot for the SA community.

 

[janewall]

I think you're correct. I recall the PI's earliest interview included that he was at a bar with a buddy that was meeting a sugar baby there. (He was silent about himself, of course).

Maybe this was a popular night spot for the SA community.

Is this PI the same guy who claimed he was a friend of ML's who was concerned and tried to warn her when she told him about AA, and was quite upset when he went to LE with a tip to that effect? It sounds like a slightly different spin on the same story.

 

[PommyMommy]

Is this PI the same guy who claimed he was a friend of ML's who was concerned and tried to warn her when she told him about AA, and was quite upset when he went to LE with a tip to that effect? It sounds like a slightly different spin on the same story.

I don't think so. That person said he met her online. MOO

 

[janewall]

Thanks Pommy! I didn't recall the online angle.

 

[OnlyFacts]

I think you're correct. I recall the PI's earliest interview included that he was at a bar with a buddy that was meeting a sugar baby there. (He was silent about himself, of course).

All I remember is him saying he was there having a drink with a friend.

Any idea why he left the police force ?

 

[PommyMommy]

FindMacKenzieLueck on Twitter
A senseless act of violence stole MacKenzie Lueck’s life. Her death and the aftermath of this violence will be felt by her loved ones forever. To families and friends of murder victims every day is a day of remembrance and pain. Not a day goes by that Kenzie is not remembered

7:55 AM - 25 Sep 2019

 

[squareandrabbet]

I dunno. We’re responsible for our own safety, and I think it’s important to learn what we can from these cases.

That “sugar baby” who was interviewed, pointed out that many of these women don’t realize what they are getting into, and the risks they may be taking.

I’m with you on the sensationalized way this sort of thing is exploited though.

It’s a weird situation, because no one deserves to be a victim, nor is any victim responsible for the actions of a monster.

But we can do things to minimize risk, and I think that should be the message here.

I know you know this from past posts, and thus this post isn't directed "to you" and is a random jumping-off point; but the message the KL story teaches is not reinventing the wheel here.

Human beings "can" do a lot of things.

This includes young women just starting out their lives.

This does not, however, necessarily mean that the things the young women (or men) choose to do with their lives are wise.

There's also a difference between "victim blaming", IMO, and saying "such and such was a stupid thing to do"; but in many situations it seems we're no longer societally allowed to offer vehement verbal guidelines to young men and women heading in the wrong direction, because that is shaming and blaming, and thus impinging on their all-important rights to autonomy.

I, for example, have a perfect right to go and live in a known drug area, because "rents are cheap".

This doesn't necessarily mean that my choosing to live in the known drug area is wise.

It also doesn't necessarily mean that I am "asking to be murdered", but if there are shootouts daily on the street, I have to understand that this is a situation with increased odds of probability that I have exacerbated by my actions.

There are some men who even sign up with professional escort services "just to talk, or to have someone to go to an event with".

I do, however, think we have to understand, and most do, that this is a situation outside of the norm; and that most men do hire "escorts" with the understanding that activity of a sexual nature will take place. These men tend to need a veneer of societal approval in order to engage in such behaviors.

This doesn't mean the behaviors are not engaged in; and saying that something is a "high risk situation/high risk behavior" is not, IMO, MOO, necessarily "blaming the victim". It's just using common sense. A system without legal checks and balances, lends itself to the potential for abuse.

My telling a child that a hot stove, if touched, will not burn them; does not mean that I have changed the scientific properties of thermodynamics.

It simply means that I have gone and lied to a vulnerable child, who put their trust in me not to do so.

 

[PommyMommy]

SEP 25, 2019
Slain U of U students to be honored at domestic violence vigil
People across the state will gather tonight to remember the lives lost as the result of domestic violence.

University of Utah students MacKenzie Lueck and Lauren McCluskey are two of at least 30 people killed in Utah as the result of domestic violence within the past year.

[...]

Utahns will gather on the south steps of the Utah State Capitol at 6 p.m. for the candlelight vigil.

Two local non-profit organizations, the Utah Domestic Violence Coalition and Utah Homicide Survivors, are hosting the event. The goal is to "bring awareness to the problem of domestic violence in Utah, increase victim safety, and propose legislative changes to support survivors.”

[...]

 

[girlhasnoname]

SEP 25, 2019
Slain U of U students to be honored at domestic violence vigil
People across the state will gather tonight to remember the lives lost as the result of domestic violence.

University of Utah students MacKenzie Lueck and Lauren McCluskey are two of at least 30 people killed in Utah as the result of domestic violence within the past year.

[...]

Utahns will gather on the south steps of the Utah State Capitol at 6 p.m. for the candlelight vigil.

Two local non-profit organizations, the Utah Domestic Violence Coalition and Utah Homicide Survivors, are hosting the event. The goal is to "bring awareness to the problem of domestic violence in Utah, increase victim safety, and propose legislative changes to support survivors.”

[...]

This is a lovely sentiment, Kenzie is an innocent VICTIM who did nothing to drive this monster's actions against her. He is an evil and disturbed individual and I believe he was potential serial killer in the making.

 

[PommyMommy]

Shara Park on Twitter (Video)
HAPPENING TODAY: One of three cases against the man accused of killing University of Utah student Mackenzie Lueck will be heard today in court. Ayoola Ayayi is accused of luring a woman to his house through a dating app, pinning her down and assaulting her. #ksltv #utah
6:13 AM · Sep 26, 2019

 

[JudgeJoe]

Shara Park on Twitter (Video)
HAPPENING TODAY: One of three cases against the man accused of killing University of Utah student Mackenzie Lueck will be heard today in court. Ayoola Ayayi is accused of luring a woman to his house through a dating app, pinning her down and assaulting her. #ksltv #utah
6:13 AM · Sep 26, 2019

Strength to the survivor today. And ML’s fam & friends. And to his unknown victims/families. Justice is good, but she churns stuff up.

 

[PommyMommy]

Strength to the survivor today. And ML’s fam & friends. And to his unknown victims/families. Justice is good, but she churns stuff up.

Oh, absolutely. I second that with a passion! MOO