Maybe I'm not searching what you are on you tube, but the only thing that comes up for Anchorage Farm other then the interview is three guys playing some music, no signs of drinking or partying.
Maybe you could elaborate?
Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #12
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Maybe I'm not searching what you are on you tube, but the only thing that comes up for Anchorage Farm other then the interview is three guys playing some music, no signs of drinking or partying.
Maybe you could elaborate?
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Here's his post paraphrased:
- Morgan is very intoxicated. An older fatherly or safe looking guy stops to see if she is OK. She tells him what's going on and he decides to give her a ride. He thinks she's hot and wants to be alone with her. He tells her jokes and asks her about himself. He talks about his divorce and Metallica. They stop to get coffee. He tells her they should get some ice cream. They go to the ice cream place but he parks far away from it in the parking lot. He's making her laugh and he hits her playfully on the shoulder a few times. He touches her leg and her mood changes, she doesn't like it. There is a struggle and punches are thrown. Eventually she is unconscious and he's on top of her. She's in a coma. He takes her home, finds out she is dead and thinks about what he should do with her now.
The one thing that makes me skeptical of him is that he seems to be a very small guy and not muscular. I don't know if he could have carried her anywhere. I think he's probably just a real weirdo, not the perp, but you never know.
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I also keep thinking of this guy. I posted a comparison bet. his pic and the rte. 29 killer and they are eerily similar. Check the nose and ears.
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The picture is of the 29 stalker but who is the other person...past post will help or related article on the person...thanks
The person doing all of that posting sound's like they are just a little to specific, even a "John Edwards leaves some outs..." there is a person who's name starts with a (any letter) who has had a burden on their heart...you may have been having head aches..stomach ache, if you are that person come on down....10 people raise up ..the one in front claims this burden and the rest sit down...you know what I'm saying
This person talks about conversations and a little too much detail...either he is just guessing like us or he indeed has some inside knowledge either rumor or facts ...hopefully the answers will be revealed...soon
The person doing all of that posting sound's like they are just a little to specific, even a "John Edwards leaves some outs..." there is a person who's name starts with a (any letter) who has had a burden on their heart...you may have been having head aches..stomach ache, if you are that person come on down....10 people raise up ..the one in front claims this burden and the rest sit down...you know what I'm saying
This person talks about conversations and a little too much detail...either he is just guessing like us or he indeed has some inside knowledge either rumor or facts ...hopefully the answers will be revealed...soon
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The man on the left, I believe is the fellow who wrote the whole "scenario" as he felt it played out (I forget where his long post originated from... the Facebook page, perhaps). I cannot recall his initials, but do know that he was discussed extensively on the Blink site (she devoted a whole post to this man & information she had dug up).
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EDIT: poor grammar
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Well, we, could be looking at true evil. It has long been established that a lot of perps think they are smarter than LE and like to keep trophy's ..to taunt the police with cryptic quotes...
So many nuts...so many senseless crimes...
So many nuts...so many senseless crimes...
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Didnt one of the searches with LE include a dairy queen? I heard this from a person who travels to C'ville alot maybe a local could confirm.
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http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-harrington-body-tips-100129,0,952055.story
I found this interesting (cut somewhat for space):
Today, one of the most respected criminal profilers in the country talks to CBS 6 about what the crime scene can reveal about a suspect.
Gregg McCrary says, "We look at all the behavior than an offender does. He has to make many many choices and body disposal is one of those important choices."
Harrington's skeletal remains were found by a farmer Tuesday on a remote area of his 700 acre property, almost a mile and a half from any roadway. Harrington's father says he's always contended the killer lives in Charlottesville and knew the area.
McCrary says Dan Harrington could be right. He says, "Under that sort of pressure people tend to go to places they are comfortable with and familiar with."
McCrary highlights another detail. He says Morgan Harrington was more likely abducted rather than a theory that she willingly accepted a ride from a stranger on the University of Virginia Campus. He says her abandoned cell phone and purse tell investigators that there was likely a struggle.
He says, "Maybe she decided, 'Oh, I don't really want to do this, this is not really where I want to go. I don't want to get in this car,' and they decided , 'no, you're going.'"
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I found this interesting (cut somewhat for space):
Today, one of the most respected criminal profilers in the country talks to CBS 6 about what the crime scene can reveal about a suspect.
Gregg McCrary says, "We look at all the behavior than an offender does. He has to make many many choices and body disposal is one of those important choices."
Harrington's skeletal remains were found by a farmer Tuesday on a remote area of his 700 acre property, almost a mile and a half from any roadway. Harrington's father says he's always contended the killer lives in Charlottesville and knew the area.
McCrary says Dan Harrington could be right. He says, "Under that sort of pressure people tend to go to places they are comfortable with and familiar with."
McCrary highlights another detail. He says Morgan Harrington was more likely abducted rather than a theory that she willingly accepted a ride from a stranger on the University of Virginia Campus. He says her abandoned cell phone and purse tell investigators that there was likely a struggle.
He says, "Maybe she decided, 'Oh, I don't really want to do this, this is not really where I want to go. I don't want to get in this car,' and they decided , 'no, you're going.'"
BBM
As I think about this, would the above not imply then that she never even got to the bridge to hitch hike? Interesting....
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Would someone either direct me to or post links to the map of the farm where they found her body. I have seen several diff. maps with diff. locations marked as the location. I also saw an arial photo of the site near a small line of trees but I cannot match it to any on the farm by sattellite image. Also, I used to live on a 1500 acre farm in rural Va. and we always kept the gates locked at the roads and I did give access to hunters and others but we knew who they were......hmmmmmmm? To answer another question YES IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO COME DOWN YOUR ROAD AT NIGHT AND YOU NOT HEAR THEM. I know it says he has owned the farm since like the 80's but geezz somethin smells fishy to me about that statement he made. Another thing, I used to hunt the highlands very often and you need to realize how much easier it is for "locals" to cover those hills. They have more stamina and can cover the ground really quickly, this is just a fact so it would not surprise me that her body was taken thru the woods either on an atv or (maybe a horse?) and thru a creek and fences and such. Also, "fences" can mean many things to mountain people and they do place "gates" and even "cattle guards" and "cattle proof" access points at times. "High tension" fences can be seprated and slipped between, "roll fence" can easily be "rolled over" with your body, even "barbed wire" can be seperated and squeezed between. HAS ANYONE GOTTEN THE WEATHER REPORTS FROM THAT NIGHT?
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Thanks MB.
I am intrigued by the possibility of the body having been washed down from where it may have actually been placed, altho I l know it would NOT wash under or past a fence IF a fence seperates the location from the creek. As I have stated about having lived in the mountains of Va., its amazing how fast and how high the water gets after a rain or a heavy snow melt. I have seen deer carcass' that were once up in the field wash hundreds of yards downstream.
I am intrigued by the possibility of the body having been washed down from where it may have actually been placed, altho I l know it would NOT wash under or past a fence IF a fence seperates the location from the creek. As I have stated about having lived in the mountains of Va., its amazing how fast and how high the water gets after a rain or a heavy snow melt. I have seen deer carcass' that were once up in the field wash hundreds of yards downstream.
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One of the videos (channel 29's wrapup of the day they found her -- I can't find it on line this morning) had a reporter saying Mr. Bass saw the remains in a place where he often sees dead deer. I thought it was kind of odd that deer would die in that place more often than another, but if it was a place where deer carcasses wash up, that would make sense.
And I would guess that after heavy rain that melted what was reported to be around two feet of snow, the runoff was quite high.
BigDBossDog
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Up a private gravel road and through acres of Blandemar Farmland, we were escorted towards the Anchorage Farm property line. Across large pine trees is where Morgan Harrington's remains were found on Tuesday, January 26th.
Even though signs on the gates say "Private" we're learning that Waldemar Drive is a common spot for trespassers to go, and it's a way to access the back of Anchorage Farm.
(newsplex.com on Jan 29th)
wow, I just caught a glimpse of the way I used to find dear in one spot like that, it was because "poachers" would spotlite dear at night and would pull up to the fence and shoot from the gate and would never even bother to claim the dear. I have met some real low life dear killers in my time let me tell you, they live for the "kill" and not the meat. Dont let em fool you, they are not ALLL in it for the meat. This makes sense if he says he often finds dear there and this is an access to the rear of his property. Makes me sick to think some low life may have let her go over the gate only to shoot her down like a dog.
Even though signs on the gates say "Private" we're learning that Waldemar Drive is a common spot for trespassers to go, and it's a way to access the back of Anchorage Farm.
(newsplex.com on Jan 29th)
wow, I just caught a glimpse of the way I used to find dear in one spot like that, it was because "poachers" would spotlite dear at night and would pull up to the fence and shoot from the gate and would never even bother to claim the dear. I have met some real low life dear killers in my time let me tell you, they live for the "kill" and not the meat. Dont let em fool you, they are not ALLL in it for the meat. This makes sense if he says he often finds dear there and this is an access to the rear of his property. Makes me sick to think some low life may have let her go over the gate only to shoot her down like a dog.
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I don't think the exact location has ever been released. The maps show where various sleuthers have used the videos to estimate location. One video shows forensics officers working at what most of us thought was a sifting station or other evidence collection, but might be where the body was found. So it's all opinion. I think you need to rotate either the map or the video to get them to line up. If you can find the house, or the fence line, you can orient from that.
I totally agree with you about the fences and such. I grew up in the rural West, where barbed wire fences are routine, and if you're used to going through, under, or over them, they don't even slow you down. If you're carrying a deer, you drop it over the fence, slide yourself between or under the wires (or climb at the post, if you're less nimble), and pick it back up again. Not to be too crude, but Morgan was about the size of a deer.
That creek looks like it might have been a bit of a scramble, but there's probably a path where the cattle cross, or where fisherfolk access the water. Locals would know.
I think the farmer knows who did it. He doesn't want to believe it -- but he knows.
The weather reports after she disappeared said it was drizzly and 40's, cold enough that some of us were worried she had succumbed to hypothermia while inadequately dressed. For someone familiar with the area, it was probably protective. Fewer people out, less likelihood of being seen.
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they just reported today that there is NO WAY she died of exposure, it IS A HOMICIDE which makes me believe that with the condition of the body being so badly decomposed they must have found bullet wounds.
UPDATE: Tuesday, February 2, 7:58pm. A few sources including The Roanoke Times and NBC affiliates report that Morgan Harrington's death has been ruled a homicide by the Virginia Medical Examiner's office in Richmond. The Roanoke Times writes that the examiner ruled out exposure as a cause of death, and no other causes have been determined at this time. Afternoon calls by C-VILLE to the Medical Examiner's office regarding this news were not yet returned, and the information is yet to be confirmed by Virginia State Police.
I tell you what, in the County I lived I also knew the <redacted> and could tell you who I would suspect.
I still say the SO that worked near the campus with a plumbing outfit and lives next to the Anchorage farm should be under a hot lamp right now if he isnt.
UPDATE: Tuesday, February 2, 7:58pm. A few sources including The Roanoke Times and NBC affiliates report that Morgan Harrington's death has been ruled a homicide by the Virginia Medical Examiner's office in Richmond. The Roanoke Times writes that the examiner ruled out exposure as a cause of death, and no other causes have been determined at this time. Afternoon calls by C-VILLE to the Medical Examiner's office regarding this news were not yet returned, and the information is yet to be confirmed by Virginia State Police.
I tell you what, in the County I lived I also knew the <redacted> and could tell you who I would suspect.
I still say the SO that worked near the campus with a plumbing outfit and lives next to the Anchorage farm should be under a hot lamp right now if he isnt.
I know a death being ruled a "homicide" is a legal status, if you will, and is important for various reasons. Including IIRC in some jurisdictions LE is only allowed to spend so many resources on investigating a death that has not been ruled a homicide. So my question is what are the guidelines the medical examiner has to meet for a finding of homicide. Since it is a legal status I would think it’s not just totally at his discretion?
I ‘m wondering what if any conclusions can be drawn from the ME’s finding. It seems like if there was bullet wounds the cause of death would not be unknown. So is it:
1. They are assuming because no one ends dead in a field like this in an area they are unfamiliar with by means other than homicide, that this must be homicide? Is this alone enough for the ME to have a finding of homicide?
2. Do they know the cause of death but they are not putting it out because they feel it would be better for the investigation not to make that information public at this time?
Or is it something else? From what you read in various news articles it sounds as if all that was left was bones I would think this might make finding a cause of death difficult. I know this is kind of gruesome but I did not know that the “non bone” parts of your body decade away so quickly is this typical?
EDIT: just to be clear I definantly think this was a homicide and always have I'm not trying to suggest this was not a homicide just wondering how the reach that "offical" conclusion and what can be infered from that.
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From various articles I've heard Morgan's remains described as skeletal and partially skeletonized. So I have to think maybe it was a combination of both.
Maybe the parts that were the most exposed were skeletal, but other parts that may have been protected with clothing were not down to skeleton.
JMO
Maybe the parts that were the most exposed were skeletal, but other parts that may have been protected with clothing were not down to skeleton.
JMO
BigDBossDog
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We must admit this is a weird case....
I agree with all points you two have made. I can only speak from my experiance with dead animals in that kind of warm / cold weather change in this time of year here. I would say ME either found something around the neck to signify stranglulation, bound limbs, bullet wounds and or actual bullet evidence. Its amazing how fast animals dispose of a carcass ( I hate that word to describe a beautiful human being). Its a wonder they found as much as they are saying they did. I've seen buzzards, opossums, skunks, raptors, mice, bugs clean a deer down to the bone in a matter of a week or two. I hate the thought of maybe she wasnt dead all that time but held somewhere, makes me wanna find a tall tree with a strong limb and start thininning these SO's out, well, Ive been wantin to do that.
I agree with all points you two have made. I can only speak from my experiance with dead animals in that kind of warm / cold weather change in this time of year here. I would say ME either found something around the neck to signify stranglulation, bound limbs, bullet wounds and or actual bullet evidence. Its amazing how fast animals dispose of a carcass ( I hate that word to describe a beautiful human being). Its a wonder they found as much as they are saying they did. I've seen buzzards, opossums, skunks, raptors, mice, bugs clean a deer down to the bone in a matter of a week or two. I hate the thought of maybe she wasnt dead all that time but held somewhere, makes me wanna find a tall tree with a strong limb and start thininning these SO's out, well, Ive been wantin to do that.
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I remember this in pretty good detail. It was super-creepy. The man's initials were NK, and the whole incident was reported to LE, I believe. Waddles will know more. I have to admit that one of my first thoughts when she was found was "Is there an ice cream stand anywhere near here?!"
He's still posting about the case in news story comments around the Internet; I run into them with some regularity. That last one I read he said something to the effect of "we don't know that she was murdered, maybe she just didn't wake up." He never tries to hide his name.
It might be worth gathering up all of these comments into one place for the record, but since he's not officially involved I'm not sure that we can do that here. He sure is a nutbag, regardless of his involvement. Who posts something like that on a missing girl's FB page? Someone disturbed, that's who.
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