WA - Burien, WhtFem 97UFWA, 12-18, Green River victim, Mar'84

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  1. christine2448

    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    [​IMG]Unidentified Female
    BODY FOUND: 3/21/1984
    DOB:
    APPROXIMATE AGE: 12-15
    HEIGHT: 5'2"-5'9"
    WEIGHT:
    HAIR:
    EYES:
    RACE: White</STRONG>

    CONTACT: Detective Tom Jensen
    King County Sheriff's Office
    Major Crimes Unit
    Green River Homicides Investigation
    206-296-7530
    Thomas.Jensen@kingcounty.gov
    SUMMARY: White female 12-15 years of age. 5’ 2” – 5’ 9”, possibly left handed, crooked and overlapping front teeth.These remains were found 03-21-84 at South 146 and 16 Ave South, in swampy area west of a Little League baseball field in the Burien area near Des Moines Memorial Drive. Death probably occurred in the Spring or Summer of 1983. Dental records are available and a DNA profile has been developed by the University of North Texas and placed into CODIS. A new facial reconstruction was done by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.GARY LEON RIDGWAY admitted to this murder, pled guilty and is serving life in prison.

    http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/UTAHunidentifiedpersons.html
     
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  3. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Former Member

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    This Jane Doe has been unidentified for 27 years now, so I thought I'd start a thread for her. I couldn't find a listing for her on NamUs.

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    On March 21, 1984 the remains of this deceased female were found near a little league baseball park in the Burien area off Des Moines Memorial Drive, King County, Washington.

    The decedent was estimated to be between 12 and 18 years of age. She was between 5’02” and 5’08” tall. Her hair and eye color are unknown.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMU&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

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  4. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Former Member

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    NCMEC has this Doe listed as a white female. Rhonda is a black female. I realize that because of this its 99% likely not her. But I just wanted to put it out there since Rhonda disappeared from Burien. Stranger things have happened.

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    Missing since August 1977. Age 21. 5'7". 110 lbs. Black hair. Brown eyes.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2780dfwa.html
     
  5. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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  6. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Former Member

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    Based on the Doe Network link, Gary Ridgeway said he killed her. He said he THOUGHT she was Caucasian, in her 20s, with brown hair. I wonder if they have forensically been able to determine her race, or if they are just going by his guess?

    Age 12-18 (closest guess around 15)
    5'3" - 5'9"
    110-130 lbs
    Died prior to May 1983
    Possibly a runaway from somewhere else in the country
     
  7. carbuff

    carbuff There but for the grace of God go I

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    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Former Member

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    You would think...but I haven't been able to find any rule-outs, and she isn't on NamUs. So you never know.
     
  9. DippyBlonder

    DippyBlonder New Member

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    I was just about to submit this when I saw that you have already found this possible match. Did you submit?
     
  10. Ambercat

    Ambercat New Member

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    Has Kase Ann Lee been ruled out? She disappeared on August 28, 1982 and is thought to be a victim of Gary Ridgway as well.
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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14129/3

    I hope that they are going by anthropological data (with regard to the race of the victim) and not just taking Gary's word for it; I vaguely remember reading that he had described Patricia Michelle Barczak, who was white, as being a black woman and Kelly Ware, who was a light skinned black woman, as being white and other things like that. Its really upsetting that he doesn't remember any of the victims names and not much details about them. Maybe it comes from not thinking of them as actual people; I don't know. :furious:
     
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    carbuff There but for the grace of God go I

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    No, I was still doing research on it when a family emergency came up and I just kind of left things for a while. Please do send it in.
     
  12. DippyBlonder

    DippyBlonder New Member

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    OK, I've been doing some more digging - I've submitted both Kelly Kay McGinness and Kase Ann Lee to be checked against both UIDs. I'm sure these must have been checked but it won't hurt to submit them and see if I can get them listed in Namus too so we can start seeing rule outs.

    This UID: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9927 - no rule outs yet.
    Another very similar UID: http://doenetwork.org/cases/98ufwa.html not in Namus

    Plus another Gary Ridgeway victim:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/99ufwa.html (not in Namus)
    to be checked against
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/391dfwa.html (Patricia Anne Osborn)
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/osborn_patricia.html
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff There but for the grace of God go I

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    Oh, very nice work! 98ufwa was another one I was looking at for a match, so it looks like we're on the same page, or in the same chapter at any rate :D
     
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  16. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Kerry Johnson seeems the obvious first option. So obvious that I would suspect that they already have looked at it. You can't always presume that.

    But they do have DNA on Kerry, and the Jane Doe's full STR and mtDNA profiles are in CODIS, so this is probably a rule-out by default.
     
  17. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    It looks like all but one of these is from WA. Wasn't part of Ridgway's plea agreement there that he had to give all the information he knew about the WA murders in order to avoid the death penalty - so has he been quizzed about these? I know that he denied killing Amina Agisheff (who was on the list) and they have thus assumed that he didn't kill her. The OR case would be a different issue.
     
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    Fuuro New Member

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    Huh. That only leaves one Jane Doe. The only possible Green River Killer victim that hasn't been ruled out is someone named LaShai Commissiong, but LaShai is black/Asian and much too old (apparently 24) to fit the profile. It would make sense that the Doe was never reported missing if she was a prostitute and had no family. Have they checked the Doe against Kelli McGuiness, Kristi Vorak, or Kase Lee?
     
  19. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I found six women/girls with the first or middle name Angela/Angie from the late '70's early 80's. None of these seem very likely.

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    Angela Rader (1977) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rader_angela.html
    Ingrid Angela Anderson (1977) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/anderson_ingrid.html
    Angela Sigrid Ramsey (1977) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/ramsey_angela.html
    Angela Mae Meeker (1979) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meeker_angela.html
    Angela Gray Hamby (1982) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hamby_angela.html
    Angela Hartmann (1983) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hartmann_angela.html

    Angie Meeker is from Washington, but not Marysville. So she is the only one who really would warrant a second look. But I would still say she is very unlikely to be the same "Angie".
     
  20. Tracey1409

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    I'm sure Angela Meeker rings a bell with me for Green River possible victims
     
  21. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I haven't seen this publicized anywhere, but it is a representation of the dentition for UP 9927 (97UFWA).

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    Although it is not shown here, the Jane Doe also had very crooked lower front teeth.

    I was looking again at the still missing women who are possible Green River victims, and two jumped out at me as having similarly crooked upper front teeth.


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    Kase Ann Lee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lee_kase.html

    Diana Ladene Munyon http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/munyon_diana.html

    I cannot imagine that these two possible Green River MP victims would not be compared to the two remaining Green River UID victims. And I wouldn't dare call them up and suggest that they do so. (LOL)

    I've wondered why Diana Munyon, who has no apparent connection to Seattle, would be considered a possible GR victim. Perhaps this is what got someone's attention.
     

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