WA WA - Kent, UnsFem 13-24, UP9930, SK G Ridgeway Victim "B20", Aug'03 - Tammie Liles

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Gary Ridgway may have begun his spree as the Green River Killer in the 1970s -- years earlier than thought, a veteran investigator said Monday.

That could mean Ridgway has even more victims.

King County investigator Tom Jensen said that if the woman known in court papers as Jane Doe "B20" was killed in the 1970s, "it could open up a whole new range of people" Ridgway might have killed.

Green River investigators are now asking for the public's help in identifying the woman, one of four Ridgway has admitted killing but whose remains so far have remained unidentified. Ridgway pleaded guilty in November 2003 to killing 48 women.

Scientists concluded that the woman's body was dumped at the site 10 to 30 years ago -- but they believe it much more likely, Jensen said, that her remains had been there for close to 30 years, making her a victim in the 1970s.

Jensen said that from Ridgway's recollections and other evidence, investigators believe that the woman was 16 to 26 years old when she was killed, that she was Caucasian or of mixed race, had a thin or medium build and had shoulder-length light brown hair but few other distinguishing features.

Jensen also said he believed that the unidentified woman may not have been a prostitute -- a deviation from Ridgway's pattern that could explain why he's been reluctant to explain more about the killing.

Yet during his hours of interviews with detectives in 2003, Ridgway admitted that it was "very possible" he had killed women in the 1970s while living in Maple Valley with his second wife, according to King County prosecutors.

"Even after rigorous interrogation and a review of potentially relevant cases," prosecutors wrote, "Ridgway's first homicide(s) remain unknown."

In a video recording of an interview detectives conducted with Ridgway on Sept. 2, 2003, Ridgway said he believed he killed the woman investigators are now trying to identify in 1982 or 1983. But he also told investigators he could have killed her in the 1970s.

He killed her, he said, after picking her up somewhere on Pacific Highway South, then bringing her home.

He said he then brought her the next day to a spot near the Kent-Des Moines Road, just east of Military Road South, and buried her, naked, after digging a makeshift grave with a shovel. Ridgway said he believed she was 16 to 20 years old.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/235791_greenriver09.html
 
When Green River killer Gary L. Ridgway was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2003 for the murders of 48 Seattle-area women, four of his victims were identified only as "Jane Doe."

Yesterday, more than 1-½ years later, investigators made a plea to the public to help identify the four victims, known only as bones 10, 16, 17 and 20. They are asking individuals who may know about people who went missing in King County in the 1970s and 1980s to contact them.

However, in the case of "Bones 20," investigators say they believe that the woman's remains could be as much as 30 years old, making this Ridgway's first-known victim and putting her slaying outside the time frame that Ridgway gave for his killing spree, said Jensen. Forensic anthropologists estimate that she was between 16 and 26 years old when she died.

However, investigators cannot be certain of the date of her death — she may have been killed as late as 1993 or as early as 1973, said Jensen.

If Ridgway had begun killing in the '70s rather than in 1982, there are other remains from that time period to which he could be tied, said Jensen. Furthermore, he added, it brings into question the legitimacy of what he told investigators over six months of interrogation.

If police could build a case around new victims, Ridgway could be tried for additional murders, said John Urquhart, King County sheriff's spokesman.

Even if a person had been reported missing, it's possible that those records have been purged, especially if that missing person was a teen runaway, said Jensen. When the missing teen turned 18, the record was erased because that person was an adult.

Other missing persons' records were simply erased after six or seven years of inactivity, Jensen said.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002428639_greenriver09m.html
 
While it is certainly possible that Ridgeway started killing earlier than he stated, or earlier than his first known victim, you have to consider two things that might argue against that. The first is that Ridgeway, once caught and nailed by hard evidence on a few of the killings, was persuaded to confess to ALL of his killings in exchange for a Life sentence. This means that IF another murder could be discovered and proven conclusively to have been committed by Ridgeway, that he would be elligible for the Death penalty for that one. The second consideration is that Ridgeway is a serial killer, and at this point in his life wants his "score" to be accurate for the record. In some cases, serial killers have "confessed" to murders that they did not commit - and that would be a more likely scenario than confessing to 48 and leaving out others.
 
In the case of "Bones 20" or B-20 this article says they were found in August 2003

http://www.kirotv.com/greenrivermurders/2630157/detail.html


I am assuming this is her, update from the Doe Network
[font=arial,verdana,geneva,lucida][size=-1]http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/found.html[/size][/font]

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Marie Annette Malvar
Marie Malvar was last seen on April 30, 1983 in Seattle, WA. Her skeletal remains were located and identified in September 2003. She may have been a victim of the Green River Killer.

Marie Malvar was 18 years of age and was last seen getting into a truck at a 7-11 store at South 216th Street and Pacific Highway South.

Her body was found September 27, 2003 in the 29200 block of 65th Avenue South.

So her bones were 20 years old.


There are still 4 unidentified bodies that have been found that are thought to be killed by the Green River Killer.

1) Died before May 1983 - White
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/97ufwa.html

2) Died Dec 1980-Jan 1984 - no race indicated
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/98ufwa.html

3) Died unknown-thought to be 1983 - White (ModNote: ID'd as Angela Marie Girdner)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/100ufor.html

4) Died 1984-Black (ModNote: ID'd as Sandra Denise Major)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/99ufwa.html


There are 9 woman that may, or may not, be linked to the Green River Killer. Once identified, they may match some of the remains which were found. Authorities are trying to find their real names or locate them.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/green_river/know/


There are 4 women who are missing who's cases have been linked to the Green River Killer.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/green_river/still_missing/


To read the whole story, including photos of the located/identified victims

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/green_river/photos_victims/
 
My understanding is that they're trying to pin more on him because his "SWEETHEART DEAL" only includes the 49 he plead too. IF they can confirm other murders, they want to seek the death penalty. Which is the LEAST he should get.
 
NamUs UP 9930

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9930

Unidentified Unsure Female

Found August 21, 2003 in King County, WA
Body Condition:
Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Probable year of death: 1970 to 1990
Estimated postmortem interval: 10 years

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 13-24
Approximate Height: cannot estimate.
Approximate Weight: cannot estimate.
Hair Color:
Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Scars and marks: nothing
Clothing & Accessories

Clothing: nothing
Jewerly: Nothing.
Footwear: nothing
Accessories:
nothing

Identifiers
Fingerprints: Fingerprint
is currently not available
Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA:
Sample submitted - Tests complete

Case History:
Victim of serial killer Gary Leon Ridgway, who directed investigators to the recovery site and confessed to the murder. Extensive search yielded about 25-30 bones. Pled guilty to Murder 1 in 2004.
 
Did they have enough to get DNA from the bones? Because if they did then it might not be someone on the possible victims list
 
Did they have enough to get DNA from the bones? Because if they did then it might not be someone on the possible victims list

You can get mitochondrial DNA from bones depending on the condition. There can be a very long delay (multiple years) to get results, and you also need something to compare against. So you usually have to start with some hypothesis of who it might be.
 
Ridgeway has several presumed victims: Linda Jackson was last seen in 1983, she was apparently never reported missing and her disappearance was only discovered by chance years after the fact http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jackson_linda.html. Patricia LeBlanc http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leblanc_patricia.html, Kase Lee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lee_kase.html, Patricia Osborn http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/osborn_patricia.html, and Kristi Vorak http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vorak_kristi.html. A few other possibilities are: Andria Bailey who went missing from Spanaway, WA under unknown circumstances in either 1978 or 1979 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bailey_andria.html. She wasn't reported missing until 1989. Pollyanne Carter was believed to be involved with prostitution and had run away before from Graham, WA http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/carter_pollyanne.html. Darci Warde also was a runaway and had ties to prostitution in Seattle http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/warde_darci.html. Angela Meeker vanished in Tacoma two days before her 14th birthday in 1979 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meeker_angela.html. She had a history of running away and was a frequent hitchhiker. Doris Mulhern went missing in 1987 in King County, she was a known prostitute http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mulhern_doris.html. Laronda Bronson was last seen in Portland, OR and was also a known prostitute http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bronson_laronda.html. Roxanne Sims went missing from Portland, OR sometime in 1977 under unknown circumstances http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sims_roxanne.html. Cherry Greenman was LKA in Waterville, WA in September 1976 but wasn't reported missing until nearly 30 years later http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/greenman_cherry.html. She was known to hitchhike and frequently traveled throughout Washington and Oregon.
 
Ridgeway has several presumed victims: Linda Jackson was last seen in 1983, she was apparently never reported missing and her disappearance was only discovered by chance years after the fact http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jackson_linda.html. Patricia LeBlanc http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/leblanc_patricia.html, Kase Lee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lee_kase.html, Patricia Osborn http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/osborn_patricia.html, and Kristi Vorak http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vorak_kristi.html. A few other possibilities are: Andria Bailey who went missing from Spanaway, WA under unknown circumstances in either 1978 or 1979 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bailey_andria.html. She wasn't reported missing until 1989. Pollyanne Carter was believed to be involved with prostitution and had run away before from Graham, WA http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/carter_pollyanne.html. Darci Warde also was a runaway and had ties to prostitution in Seattle http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/warde_darci.html. Angela Meeker vanished in Tacoma two days before her 14th birthday in 1979 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meeker_angela.html. She had a history of running away and was a frequent hitchhiker. Doris Mulhern went missing in 1987 in King County, she was a known prostitute http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mulhern_doris.html. Laronda Bronson was last seen in Portland, OR and was also a known prostitute http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bronson_laronda.html. Roxanne Sims went missing from Portland, OR sometime in 1977 under unknown circumstances http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sims_roxanne.html. Cherry Greenman was LKA in Waterville, WA in September 1976 but wasn't reported missing until nearly 30 years later http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/greenman_cherry.html. She was known to hitchhike and frequently traveled throughout Washington and Oregon.

In my opinion, based on the methodology of Ridgway (i.e. how he killed ferociously at first, left the bodies all in the river, and then began to hide them as he realized that they were too easily found and could be connected to him.) I believe that the sheer voracity of the killings suggests that he hadn't killed before in the US and that his first murders began with the Coffield, Lovorn, Bonner and so forth. So I don't think any of the 70's murders or disappearances are connected.

I do believe that these additional cases may be related. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/king_debra.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tucker_helen.html

I think that the 70's cases are more likely connected to Robert Lee Yates Jr. He was active in the 70's in both Washington and Oregon at the same time as Ridgway. There are huge gaps in his timeline of victims, and some of these may fit within.
 
In my opinion, based on the methodology of Ridgway (i.e. how he killed ferociously at first, left the bodies all in the river, and then began to hide them as he realized that they were too easily found and could be connected to him.) I believe that the sheer voracity of the killings suggests that he hadn't killed before in the US and that his first murders began with the Coffield, Lovorn, Bonner and so forth. So I don't think any of the 70's murders or disappearances are connected.

I do believe that these additional cases may be related. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/king_debra.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tucker_helen.html

I think that the 70's cases are more likely connected to Robert Lee Yates Jr. He was active in the 70's in both Washington and Oregon at the same time as Ridgway. There are huge gaps in his timeline of victims, and some of these may fit within.

Thank you for your input, Cuevs. It's always helpful to get others' thoughts/points of view on these cases, particularly the old ones. That's what these forums are for, brainstorming to float everything out there to get them out of cold storage, defrosted, and solved. Welcome to Websleuths! :wagon:
 
As a side note, I don't think there are individual threads for Ridgeway's other two unidentified victims yet; known as Jane Doe B-10 and Jane Doe B-17, respectively. Several of the suggestions here could easily be potential candidates for their identities as well.
 
Submitted Linda Jackson, Angie Meeker, Patricia LeBlanc, and Cherry Greenman.
 

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