Identified! WA - Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #6 *name withheld*

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  1. Brainy

    Brainy Member

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    Please share your thoughts...

    would a website like the one I mentioned above be a good idea?
    It could allow the family to have access to those that want to send their heartfelt messages while the family' anonymity is kept & respected
     
  2. booghawk

    booghawk Well-Known Member

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    I think it may be a good idea, as long the messages from users are filtered by a moderator before they go live.

    I've seen a disgusting amount of comments shaming the family & accusing them of abuse or wrong-doing & that being the reason they won't release his name.

    If that can be filtered out before messages are able to be seen by his family, then I think it could be a great idea.
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  3. leilarose68

    leilarose68 Well-Known Member

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    Mr. Youmans, if the family is interested please post this on reddit too, as there are so many there who would like to send letters as well!

    Additionally, maybe you can't go into this but is his family very confused that so many people followed Lyle's case? This must be so overwhelming and bizarre to them in addition to heart wrenching!
     
  4. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Honestly, we couldn't do anything without the time you spent here posting. It was a sad day when you stopped but you really had said everything you could remember. A few of us picked thru posts to get all of your quotes so they were easily found.

    I removed the 2 PM pics we had at Never Forget Me. I did not have any of the ones that came via FOIA. Hopefully someone can contact the guy that put them online to remove them ASAP. I was shocked they were given with the FOIA. I had tried ordering stuff for a NY John Doe that was hit by a train; NY would not release them due to HIPAA. He was recently identified too, we assume by prints, name wasn't released.

    I'd love to write something. He's one of my oldest cases since coming here in 2009. Trying to think of how to have them online, how about Google websites? I can easily throw one up. Letters can go to you then you can forward to me or someone else. It's very much appreciated. I'm sure you can imagine how we feel not knowing his name or being able to see a photo of him. Can you tell us if his name was not Lyle Stevik and if you've seen his photo which recon looks the most like him?

    My money would be on the 2 on his Find A Grave, Carl's newest one as well as the other there. Both are below, I also uploaded the sketch.

    Love the idea!

    I want to say a huge thank you and congrats for all you've done for Lyle with his FB group and putting him on Reddit where it took on a life of it's own.

    My daughter struggles. I uploaded her Ancestry DNA to a health site Promethease, it's actually in her genetics.
     

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  5. Buttons

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    Great news, I was able to contact the person who wrote the article I mentioned yesterday (the first one that shows when you google "Lyle Stevik") and they have replaced the post-mortem photograph with a reconstruction. I've contacted as many people and reported as many of the photos as I can, although some sites don't have a contact option which makes it difficult. I won't give up, though. I'm also waiting for Imgur to get back to me regarding the removal of the large album containing the police photos.

    Some of the photos that show up in the Google searches come from the threads here on Websleuths, so maybe a moderator can help to remove them if I can find links for the individual posts. There are also a lot of photos from Reddit in the search results. I'm not sure how to tackle those, but I'll give it a go.
     
  6. Buttons

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    Just as I suspected, people on Reddit aren't too keen to remove the photos and believe they should be left, because they were publicly released, and that people should "deal with it". All in favour of a "Lyle's Law" that protects unidentified (and identified) decedents from having their privacy and dignity compromised because it's technically legal to issue a FOIA request for such material?

    Releasing sketches, reconstructions and details about the case is helpful, as is sometimes posting photos of belongings if it could aid in identifying someone, but I don't think any good can come from photos being released on the scale that Lyle's were. Especially now that DNA tesing seems to be the best tool in solving these cases. I'm saddened but not all that shocked by how insensitive some people can be; despite what they say, it does matter...
     
  7. DakotaMayi

    DakotaMayi Former Member

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    And that's exactly why I am a member here, and not there.

    Thank you for your efforts with this.
     
  8. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    My edit where I added Allan Kenley Matheson Google website never went thru. It's very easy to use. Free and comes up in google pretty fast

    BBM
    I think Lyle's Law would be a good idea unless Washington state has already made sure no more will go out, falling under something like HIPAA law such as NY does.

    From what I remember, the person was supposed to get another load of his file but I don't think it ever got released to them as LE had found out about everything going online.

    Thanks for what you're doing.
     
  9. Dylgem22

    Dylgem22 Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone here follow or go to Find A Grave? someone left a comment back in April on Lyle's page who claims to be related to him somehow ... has a name of the poster and lists an aunt's name and everything on there ... Just found it curious :thinking:

    might not be anything either ...
     
  10. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    You'll be fighting the tabloids and such who make money off of posting images including gruesome death scenes, mortuary/autopsy photo's, private funeral pics and such.
    All I can say is that it's *very* bad karma. What goes around, does indeed come around.
     
  11. Buttons

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    The comment mentioning an aunt? Yes...we discussed it on the Discord server and asked DNA Doe Project if the name was consistent with their findings and they said no. I think the person who left the comment may have mistaken Lyle's page for that of their family member's, or they were trolling.
     
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    Ah .. thanks!! I just found it curious and wasn't sure if it was accurate since the family is wanting privacy ..
     
  13. Buttons

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    It's disgusting. I really do wish there was a specific law in place to prevent it, and to allow any current violations to be removed.

    A few more pictures have been taken down since my last post and I'm waiting on a lot of people and outlets to respond, so let's hope for the best...
     
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    Whatever it was has been removed, just people leaving flowers. Find a grave will turn off the feature/remove items that go against their TOS.
     
  15. Gardener1850

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    I'm completely in favor of as many websites taking down the photos as possible now that it has been solved and he is identified. That said-- While it is really unfortunate that pictures of Lyle's death are out on the internet now, IMHO, had the photos not been released he may not have had so many following his case. New sketches were made based on the photos and the photos were very useful for comparing to photos of missing persons. The photos didn't solve it, no, but they gave sleuthers more info to work with while trying to ID him and that in turn led to keeping the case active online. IMO, because of the attention Lyle's case had online, he was one of the first to be selected and eventually identified by the DNA Doe Project. Sure, DNA could have solved the case without the photos but I think one could argue that if no photos and no additional info had been released with an FOIA, it might have taken much longer for his case to be selected for this new process of DNA identification through genealogical DNA. Again, I'm all in favor of as many websites taking down the photos as possible now that it has been solved and he is identified. His family was wise to not release his name, IMO. The good thing is that anyone who knew "Lyle" in real life likely will not know to go looking for the photos unless told about his alias. We see the images pop up quickly because we know what to search for but most people are not aware of JD cases or websites like this. If most of the mainstream sources and reputable places like Websleuths remove the morgue photos they will eventually not come up as easily in the search. It will probably be impossible to completely remove them but with time I think they will be harder to find. JMO.
     
  16. Buttons

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    Oh, I completely agree...the silver lining to the photos being released is that it generated a lot of interest and intrigue in the case, which may have led to DNA Doe Project taking notice of it. Now that all is said and done, however, I hope we can remove as many of them as possible. If Imgur remove the album containing all of the police photos, that's already a huge step in the right direction because that's where most of the photos are. If people do eventually discover Lyle's identity and carelessly post it online, people may search his alias anyway, which is another reason why they need to be removed.
     
  17. astridxx

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    So I'm the one who posted the link to the album here that was posted on reddit by someone who did a FOIA request.

    When I posted the links I never dreamt the case would be solved. I posted them in hopes that us sleuths would be able to solve the mystery and bring this young man home. I didn't ever stop to think that his family may see the pictures some day. I've been in contact with the mods of this forum to have my posts removed - I'd remove them myself but I can't seem to do that.

    I sincerely apologize for any harm caused to his family by way of my posting the links to the albums.
     
  18. DakotaMayi

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    Don't be hard on yourself. While I understand that they need to be removed now, I completely agree with Gardener that Lyle's case got so much interest because of those photos. You clearly did an awesome job at helping Lyle to get his name back. I was shocked when I saw your post. I don't think I ever considered that happening. Ever.
     
  19. Brainy

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    Folks,

    I don't think anyone that posted the photos had any evil or mean intentions. Given how many unidentified people there are out there, the photos made Lyle much more real than an ambiguous sketch. Eventually, so many people being drawn to this case allowed closure. Even though now releasing the photos will most certainly have negative implications, it did help solve the case.
     
  20. Buttons

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    There's no need to apologise, you had only good intentions and the photos can be removed now that he's been identified. :hug:
     
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