Identified! WA - Snohomish Co., WhtFem 516UFWA, 15-22, hitchhiker, Aug 1977 - Lisa Roberts

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  1. kpdx

    kpdx RIP Precious Lisa Roberts

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    Diane Schulte was ruled out by dentals. Please see additional rule out list upthread (page 12) from LE.

    Circumstances with Carlene and the fact that she had braces when LKA make it more unlikely than not, IMHO.
     


  2. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Ooops, I got my brain cells crossed up and was thinking the missing woman was the tall one.
     
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    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    DNA Status: Initial inquiry underway
     
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    dhaliwal_mani New Member

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  6. UncoolNegated

    UncoolNegated Well-Known Member

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    I received an email today from the Snohomish County Coroner's Office (Jane Jorgensen).

    "Hi (Uncool Negated),

    Thank you for the tip. There is a resemblance, isn’t there? I will follow-up with New South Wales Police to see if our Jane Doe could possibly be Narelle Mary Cox.

    When we first published our unidentified persons website, we did get a tip from Australia that our Jane Doe might be Christine Ruth Thornton, but NamUs ruled her out within a couple of days using fingerprints.

    Thank you again, and please don’t hesitate to send us information on anyone else you may think is our Jane Doe.

    Best Regards,

    Jane


    Jane Jorgensen
    Investigator
    Snohomish County Medical Examiner’s Office"

    Could just be a rule out, but I thought you guys would want to know about an active lead that is being pursued. I'm excited but realize it could be a dead end too. Full story at my Linked-In page:

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/snoh...ssie-narelle-lambert?trk=pulse_spock-articles
     
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  7. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    I can't wait to hear an update. Thanks UncoolNegated.
     
  8. UncoolNegated

    UncoolNegated Well-Known Member

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    Did some research. David Roth, the man who killed the Doe, has co-operated with police in trying to identify her. He said she didn't have an accent. Tough point.
     
  9. UncoolNegated

    UncoolNegated Well-Known Member

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    Update from an email from earlier this afternoon:

    "Hi (UncoolNegated),

    We are working with New South Wales PD to do a comparison of records. I will let you know when I hear anything!

    Best,

    Jane"
     
  10. UncoolNegated

    UncoolNegated Well-Known Member

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    Grapevine: excluded. Nothing from the medical office yet, but the Doe's Facebook page said they received word of the exclusion.
     
  11. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Over 5 months later, still waiting for DNA tests to complete for Kim Charleson:
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/36637/350

     
  12. ezio_mctavish

    ezio_mctavish New Member

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    Something interesting I noticed SJD's watch.

    516UFWA_watch.JPG

    We know it's a Timex, which was a popular brand back then. Looking through the Timex catalog (link) from 1977, I think I found the model of watch. It is close to this one:

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    Two things you will notice about her watch vs the one in the catalog. One the hands and dial markers are lighter on hers. This could either be an older model, fading from being out in the sun, or simply lighting.

    The watch line is called Cavatina, these are ladies dress watches.


    However, the most important part, the straps are totally different. The strap she is wearing is called a bund strap--this is where the strap covers the back of watch. Looking through the catalog, there is not a single watch that has a bund strap. This is most likely an aftermarket strap.

    So, with that being said, the important thing is this strap type doesn't seem to be very popular during this era. I looked at a Seiko catalog from 1974 (Timex and Seiko were ruling the watch market) I couldn't find a single watch with this strap type.

    The only picture I could find someone wearing any type watch with the band was Paul Newman when he was racing in Le Mans in 1979.

    Another possibility is she had a metal allergy and that prevented the back of the watch from touching her skin.

    Major point--we have a ladies dress watch on an unusual aftermarket strap. I wonder if the Snohomish County PD have identified the manufacturer of the strap? I also wonder if this could have been a popular thing in a certain area of the county?
     
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  13. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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  14. ezio_mctavish

    ezio_mctavish New Member

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    Update: One other thing I noticed about SJD's watch strap. It the wrong size for the watch. Look closely at the leather loops holding the spring pin. They don't cover the spring pins very well. This usually will cause the watch to move from side to side.

    I am not sure the case diameter, but if it's a ladies watch it shouldn't be very big. This band is unusual because it seem to made for a really small watch. Most bund straps are made for men's sports watches, which are wider watches.

    (P.S. I found a few other anomilies that might be helpful to the case. Not about the watch, but other stuff. But, I will post them later.)
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    The leather back straps were popular in the early 70s. The watch itself looks even older. Notice how the metal around the face of the catalog watch is sleek and smooth, while SJD's has some kind of ornamental twist? That was more popular earlier in the decade. But it's less ornate than sixties styles.

    This kind of watch was often given as a high school graduation present, sixteenth birthday present, etc.



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  16. ezio_mctavish

    ezio_mctavish New Member

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    I'm not seeing any ornamental design on SJD watch. Let me show a better picture I found.

    vlcsnap-2017-07-27-00h05m29s455.png Screen Shot.png

    It's almost an exact match.

    Now, watch companies may go years without changing their basic designs. However, the watch itself can't be older than a couple of years, because the first Timex Quartz came out in 1972 and it was one model. Before that all their watches were mechanical. So, I would have to say the model isn't any older than 74. Unless it's mechanical.

    As for the band, this might be worth submitting to the Snohomish County PD, that this is likely an aftermarket band. It might be worth looking into the manufacturer of the band.

    Interesting point on the Bund strap being popular in the early 70's, didn't know that.
     
  17. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Okay, apparently what looked like twisted ornamentation in the other photo is just pixelation. Thanks for putting up the better photo.
     
  18. ctaylor

    ctaylor Well-Known Member

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    A new article on this case...

    https://www.heraldnet.com/news/genealogy-buffs-could-help-identify-woman-killed-in-1977/

     
  19. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Another recent article about this case:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/jane-doe-murder-ancestry/536916/

    They're hoping to do ancestral DNA on this case with the help of a forensic genealogist.

     
  20. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola 70's-80's Jane Doe's

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