WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

Discussion in 'Lyle Stevik' started by outofthedark, Sep 18, 2007.

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  1. columbo78

    columbo78 New Member

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    COLDCASEMAN:

    has John Katsilieris been ruled out?

    also, does CODIS continually search and attempt to match DNA profiles, or does an investigator have to request an updated search periodically? what is the scope of CODIS? only sex offenders, etc.?

    thank you,
    Kam
     


  2. outofthedark

    outofthedark Lyle Stevik's FB Hostess

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    I think I read somewhere that the other guests at the hotel didn't remember him
     
  3. DD Byrd

    DD Byrd Active Member

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    FWIW I never heard back from Grays Harbor on John.
     
  4. outofthedark

    outofthedark Lyle Stevik's FB Hostess

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    Same here, I also sent in a PM about 2-3 years ago and I have not heard back. I sent my email to Steve Shumate after I found his (work) email on another crime forum
     
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    foryourwine New Member

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    Is he even on the Namus website? I just looked, because sometimes they have lists of ruleouts, but I couldn't even find him:waitasec:
     
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    I looked too, it appears he isn't on there. Ugh, frustrating. Im going to email the detective handling his case and suggest it.
     
  8. outofthedark

    outofthedark Lyle Stevik's FB Hostess

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    I checked too. He isn't on there either...
     
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    I emailed the detective and suggested it, no word back yet..
     
  10. gibby207

    gibby207 Pooh just is.

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    I have been obsessed with this case and pretty much looked at all the same people yawl have, but I wanted to know if anyone else was interested in:

    http://doj.mt.gov/enforcement/missingpersons/searchdetail.aspx?RecordKey=609

    "Lyle" looks to me to be possibly Flathead Indian... I have been trying to search Canada, Alaska, Montana, Idaho, etc., with all the same possibilities yawl have come up with.
     
  11. gibby207

    gibby207 Pooh just is.

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    He really resembles my friend who is Blackfoot as well.... I have been trying to research that area but, as you said, rarely are reported missing :(
     
  12. gibby207

    gibby207 Pooh just is.

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    Another thing, is the running theory that he is most likely from Canada and perhaps took the ferry from Canada to Port Angeles, took the bus south?
     
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  14. palomacolumbine

    palomacolumbine New Member

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    I wonder if he was declared dead, but no body found. In that case, he could still be Lyle. Sorry. I'm not very computer-savvy. Wasn't sure how to quote a previous post.

    RESPONSE TO BELOW:
    Same name and DOB, says he passed away in 1998...


    http://tiny.cc/b9AnT
    Yesterday 06:25 PM

    Also, I am new to this forum and joined because of Lyle. I just feel like somehow he should be able to be identified. I was sure he was Jon Depatie, but saw in an earlier post that he was ruled out. I also wonder about David Abramovitz. The ears are off, but the timing and general description seem to fit. Also, Abramovitz was possibly suicidal. Just a thought.

    www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/abramovitz_david.html - Cached
     
  15. palomacolumbine

    palomacolumbine New Member

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    outofthedark Lyle Stevik's FB Hostess

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    I believe that David Abramovitz was already ruled out
     
  17. palomacolumbine

    palomacolumbine New Member

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    Out of the dark: Thanks for clarifying re: Abramovitz. I'm still not through the whole thread, but I am struck by all of the amazing work you all have done! I saw that rmf (I believe) did some fascinating research on native americans and suicide, particularly the dineh. Given their avoidance of discussing suicide, I wonder if that explains why Lyle was not reported missing (if, in fact, he is native american). Has anyone contacted the tribal police? They are typically tribal members and so might take more of an interest in finding answers. They obviously would have connections within the various tribes and could ask around to try to ID Lyle. I would be happy to do this if it hasn't already been done.
    I also think Lyle could be mediterranean, European or a Heinz 57. He looks remarkably like a friend of mine from Morocco. I don't think we should rule out any possibility and proceed with an open mind.
    I would just echo others who have posted and caution against relying too much on photos to ID him. People can look very different in photos. I would also note that it is difficult to rely on skin tone after death. We have very different coloring when our blood is no longer flowing!
     
  18. outofthedark

    outofthedark Lyle Stevik's FB Hostess

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    I found a guy on DN whose physical statistics closely matched Lyle's, and his age in 2001 was around one of the estimated ages for Lyle
     
  19. palomacolumbine

    palomacolumbine New Member

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    Out of the Dark - Wow!! That's great!! Can you post the link or give info? I am almost caught up with the whole thread. I haven't finished Thread 2 or 3 yet, but am done with the others. You've been here from day 1. I admire your tenacity. :woohoo:
     
  20. palomacolumbine

    palomacolumbine New Member

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    Coldcaseman: I just read about some new testing they can do where they can look at a hair and tell where a person has lived throughout their lives. It has something to do with the content of the water and how it deposits in the hair. So they could tell where you were raised, where you lived most recently, at least in what region you lived. Obviously, I don't really know a lot about this, but I wondered if any of Lyle's hair was saved from the post-mortem and how much this testing would cost. I'm sure you don't have a huge budget for this kind of testing, but I wondered if it might even be possible.
     
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