Was Burke Involved? # 4

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  1. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Exactly!
    The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming honestly. He knew way to much about her manner of death considering his parents said they NEVER discussed it with him and was completely unaware of him even being awake that morning until he was testifying in front of the GJ 2 1/2 years later....
    A lot stinks about this case.
     
  2. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    I recall reading (possibly in one of John's interviews) that the bed Burke slept in was made by Fleet White.
     
  3. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    I'm not the person you asked. I wasn't there so I can't say how or for sure he DID do that. I'm also not sure why there is confusion about how one could possibly transport feces. But, genuine curiosity or rhetorical argumentative question, here's some ideas:

    He defecated into his hand while he was present in JB's room then smeared the fecal matter onto the box.

    He defecated into the toilet then used his hand to remove it from the toilet and then walked from whichever toilet into her room and smeared it onto the box.

    He defecated in his pants then used his hands, pants, or underwear to smear it on the box.

    He used a paper towel or toilet paper to do any of the above actions.

    Those are just a few ways in which he could have accomplished that incredible feat! Fecal smearing is so easy even babies can do it!
     
  4. Heymom

    Heymom New Member

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    There was no manual strangulation. You can't strangle a person without doing damage to their neck and the ME found no such damage. Whatever the reason for talking about the type of strangulation (by BR), the autopsy results do not support manual strangulation.
     
  5. Heymom

    Heymom New Member

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    I assume you meant Dr. Henry Lee. There was no Dr. Wu on the CBS show. And you have been misinformed on the DNA found on JonBenet's clothing and body. This case will never be solved by DNA.
     
  6. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Seriously.:facepalm:
    What is your fascination to how feces is smeared. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. This is the second time I've seen you ask this question. As Flourish said, even a baby can do it. I do not think it requires a step by step description. :notgood:
     
  7. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Quoted from a candy rose http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-crime-photos.htm I have one more on this one, Tom. There is a stain here on the carpet. Do you know what was spilled there or what that is? Do you remember a stain on the carpet in that area? PATSY RAMSEY: No. I remember I spilled red (INAUDIBLE) there one time and that was (INAUDIBLE). (Whispering into photographs.) No. - (0253-02)
    Does anyone know what stain they are referring to? Apparently it's red? I can't see the stain. Can someone who knows where its located circle it possibly for me?
     
  8. questfortrue

    questfortrue Well-Known Member

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    Yes, adding everything up does look bad for BR. But there is some information in PMPT which provides some clarification about BR and DS and the discussion they had.

    DS and BR learned about the strangulation at a morning seminar, I believe.

    The electronic media had carried the story the evening of the 27th, which included that JB had been strangled. Early in the case, Dec. 27, the principal at High Peaks felt that because of the fears of the children and hysteria of the parents, it would be good to have a meeting to talk about the death of JB. Some parents and older kids did know about her strangulation from TV reports. The principal arranged for a therapist(s) to make a presentation to the kids and discuss the facts of the case which were known. It was held on the morning of the 28th. In FF Kolar mentions the fact of strangulation was released in the newspapers on Dec. 28. I suspect this strangulation fact was given to the kids and parents that morning and discussed by DS and BR that afternoon.

    The school psychologist told us he would tell the kids the facts that were known, but he assured us he wouldn’t go near the subject of whether JonBenét was sexually assaulted. . . .On Saturday morning, December 28, seventy parents and children showed up at High Peaks Elementary School. The administrator had arranged for therapists to come in to talk to the kids and their parents. PMPT

    Then the strangulation puzzle and BR’s knowledge are further studied by Kolar and he flags this as something which is not understood.

    Kolar, FF: As I reviewed the video time and again, I found it noteworthy that Burke never once mentioned the fact that he knew that JonBenét had been strangled during this conversation with Dr. Bernhard. As noted, Burke’s interview with Dr. Bernhard took place a little more than a week and a half after JonBenét’s murder on January 8, 1997. The fact that JonBenét had been strangled was common knowledge in Boulder by that juncture. . . Why would Burke tell Dr. Bernhard that he knew what had happened to JonBenét and not mention her strangulation? He clearly was aware that strangulation had been involved due to the conversations he was overheard having with Doug Stine not more than two days after the murder of his sister.
     
  9. UKGuy

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    Heymom,
    BBM: OK, but I can interpret the evidence however I see fit.

    If I want to think JonBenet was both manually strangled and sexually assaulted and that her later ligature asphyxiation was staging to mask the original manual strangulation and the use of either the paintbrush or a finger to internally assault JonBenet again masking her original sexual assult, was in essence what took place, neglecting the blunt force to her head which might have been a first attempt at killing JonBenet, then I can since the AR states the COD to be asphyxia and brain injury both causing oxygen depletion.

    It does not state what never happened, e.g. no manual strangulation. Ive been over all this before and its something that could have happened, it just depends on what your favorite theory happens to be.

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  10. Heymom

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    This was photo #18, and I sure wish we could find out what *exactly* that photo was....She had a reaction to it and her emotion needed a 10 minute break as she started crying. That would have been the time to press the issue but I'm sure Lin Wood stepped in to protect her.
     
  11. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Woah.
    Did BR attend the seminar? Or did DS? I can't believe they even discussed the way she was killed to the school honestly. (This is new info for me!) I mean I would understand if they had like a small vigil for her that Saturday with grief counselors attending. But I don't think it was the school's place to discuss that info. Especially with the kids. When was it officially announced that she was strangled and how? Wow today is a huge learning curve for me in this case. :scared:
     
  12. HarmonyE.

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    The reason the attorney dismissed the idea that the GJ couldn't decide which parent was the murderer is because they did not recommend either be charged with murder.

    If the grand jury really couldn't puzzle out which one did the actual killing, it's far more likely they would have recommended murder charges for both because at a minimum one was likely covering for the other, and possibly an accessory before the fact. Let the actual trial sort that out. But naming neither as the murderer is a pretty clear indicator that they didn't think either one was. This leaves only one person.
     
  13. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Completely agree!
    Anyone else being questioned in a case like this the detectives would have beared down on the person being questioned. Whatever is in that photo disturbed her greatly. I hate how they didn't follow through properly with questioning them. To this day they remain handled with kid gloves if you ask me. :notgood:

    O/T but I'm going to miss chatting with everyone while the site gets an upgrade! :winkkiss: I hope everyone has a good night!
     
  14. DrollForeignFaction

    DrollForeignFaction Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome, glad I could help!

    About your questions:
    1. I don't have any info besides what I posted but nothing to indicate Anthony was with them at the time. I would love to read the original police report Kolar got that from to get more context.

    2. I agree it would be very interesting to have his old playmates interviewed, I wonder if any of them were contacted by the task force in 2010 or CBS more recently. As to Burke knowing about the strangulation, I had the same thought. If he didn't hear it from his parents, then where? The police didn't want to release info about the mode of death in the early reports and this was only 2 days after anyone knew she was strangled. Hinky.

    However, here's a theory:
    A) the first report in the Daily Camera on the 27th quoted Mason saying she was not shot or stabbed but no further info.
    B) but on the 28th the DC refers to her as having been strangled, which is the first media mention of that fact I'm aware of - but who knows, it could have leaked even earlier on live news.
    C) that convo happened after a schoolwide counseling session on the 28th. I doubt Burke attended but DS probably did since Kolar thought it was relevant to the context. If that info was in the morning paper (not sure that it was) it's possible classmates would have gleaned that info from their parents in some way, discussed it at school, and then DS relayed the info to Burke. It's impossible to know for sure.

    Finally, yeah, it is curious that Patsy's Pitbull shared her concerns about that exchange with someone else. This was before the Ramseys were living with the Stines so I wonder if this was before they became oddly close. IF BDI, I could see SS being brought into the fold if she discovered too much (say from more convos between BR and DS), and I could see her going along to protect Burke if she thought it was a childish accident. If JDI or PDI I'm less inclined to think she'd know the truth and still support them but maybe she would, she really seemed devoted to Patsy. SS's over the top actions in defense of the Ramseys make me think she must know SOMETHING.
     
  15. UKGuy

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    questfortrue,
    BBM:Good catch, that's the likely source. Yes during both those taped interviews BR is acting dumb and giving nothing away. Tell you secrets if I did that they wouldn't be secret, but he mimics someone applying blunt force to JonBenet's head, and as you point out he must have known she was strangled. You have to wonder if DS said she was ligature strangled and BR was saying no it was manual, etc?

    As I mentioned to PositiveLight it's all circumstantial, yet BR did sleep in sisters room as she did in his, they were caught playing doctor, not the crime of the century given their age, but it offers a motive via prior known behavior.

    There must have been some serious revelation in the upcoming CBS 3rd episode for JR to tell BR your doing Dr Phil and tell them you went back downstairs after we all went to bed?

    Since LW obviously had an advance viewing along with JR when they got there invite from CBS to comment on the show, they immediately took evasive action and told CBS they would litigate unless X,Y and Z was removed. Once Spitz spoke in public they decided to use him as an example for anyone else wanting to run BDI theories on the mass media.

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  16. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    I think you may be correct.
    It does seem that maybe PR had good reason to bring the Stine's into the fold. IIRC many former friends of theirs basically said the Ramsey's would dump them when they no longer needed them leaving many past friends with a sour taste in their mouths about them. I could understand their reasoning too. PR could be very compelling I'm sure to some and able to twist their knowledge of the crime to suit their needs. Maybe the Stine's were willing to sell their souls sorta speak to get up in society. JMOO
     
  17. DrollForeignFaction

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    Questfortrue, thanks for posting that from PMPT. I forgot that the actual details were discussed with the children that day. And thank you for pointing out Burke's seeming ignorance of the strangulation days after discussing it with DS, that is much more curious.
     
  18. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    Completely agree!

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  19. PositiveLight

    PositiveLight Active Member

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    YAY!!! Welcome back everyone! :loveyou:
     
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    Burke was reunited with the family. Many of the adults in the house knew about the strangulation. Even if John and Patsy were trying to keep the details away from Burke, this could have been one of the things he discovered by overhearing a conversation. Does anyone on this site that believe there were no private conversations in the Stine household about the murder? My experience is that when the grieving begins, the family talks about the loss in hushed voices. It's oddly surreal, stark and numbing. If it was something he wasn't supposed to know, he may have kept it from the adults.
     
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