what chances are there

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by madeleine, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    to solve this case



    okay,so if IDI,it's a question of luck I guess,the case begins to move if there will be a DNA match (not necessarily but probably)

    but what about RDI
    it's obvious the two (JR,BR) won't ever talk
    what other chances are there to get them
    what additional tests can be done?
    would an exhumation help?
    what witnesses could help,stanton,white,who else?if their memories are refreshed
    would another civil suit help,if yes,how


    a child was murdered.there MUST be something they can do about it.IF they want,of course.....
    or is it really too late
     
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  3. Tadpole12

    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    is it really too late?

    Heyya Madeleine.

    Wonder if certain aspects of the crime are no longer prosecutable?


    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_t...ons_of_involuntary_manslaughter#ixzz1EuFr3Eqw

    This may vary by state, but Florida for example has a limit of four years in which the prosecution must be initiated for manslaughter (and second and third degree murder as well).


    http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...e-of-limitations/CO-felonies-misdemeanors.htm

    Statute: Colorado §16-5-401

    Summary: The following sets forth a description of a particular crime or infraction, followed by the time period following such crime within which a legal action can be initiated. If action is not taken within the stated period below, the victim may potentially lose its right to press charges and the state may no longer be entitled to prosecute:
    Felonies:
    • Murder, attempt, conspiracy, or solicitation to commit murder, kidnapping, attempt, conspiracy or solicitation to commit kidnapping, treason, attempt, conspiracy, or solicitation to commit treason, any forgery regardless of penalty provided, attempt, conspiracy or solicitation to commit any forgery regardless of penalty provided: N/A
    • Sexual assault, aggravated incest, trafficking in or sexual exploitation of children, soliciting for child prostitution, pandering or child procurement: 10 years
    • Other felonies: 3 years (bribery and abuse of public office: 3 year extension; sexual offenses on children under 15 years of age: 7 year extension)
    Misdemeanors:
    • 18 months
    • Class I and II and traffic offenses: 1 year
    • Petty offenses: 6 months
    • 3rd degree sexual assault: 5 years
     
  4. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye New Member

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    I feel like the only way this case will ever be solved is if John confesses on his deathbed or has something in his will that says when he dies, all the details about the murder will be revealed. It will be like in the Adam Walsh case when LE gave a press conference saying that they had solved the case but the killer was dead so there was no trial. However, if Burke was involved, then I don't think John will reveal what happens in his will/on deathbed because even if Burke can't be prosecuted, he would still have to go the rest of his life being known as the murderer of JonBenet Ramsey.
     
  5. MurriFlower

    MurriFlower Inactive

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    Hey Tad, the way I read it, there is no limit for murder.
     
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    MurriFlower Inactive

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  7. wonderllama

    wonderllama Registered Snoozer

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    I think this is a good thread for us to all get in on....

    I mean it has been 14-15 years and everything that is known hasn't lead to an arrest nor has it threatened to lead to an arrest. Keeping in mind that if it ever WAS close to someone being charged, that was a significant while ago.

    So what is needed?

    As madeleine said, IDI requires a DNA match to identify a specific intruder, and the chances of that happening are reasonably low.

    RDI always comes back to a confession from one of the suspects and given one of them would require a seance to question, we're restricted to two people.

    John clearly isn't talking and I wouldn't be holding my breath for a deathbed confession. He doesn't strike me as the 'needing to clear one's mind' type in that respect.
    Which leaves Burke.

    I've always referred to Patsy as the weak link in the RDI Guilt chain, but with her out of the picture, Burke has assumed the mantle of weakest link.

    If RDI is correct, and the majority of players believe it is (of course, that doesn't mean it IS corrent), then Burke should be the focus of our attention.

    I'm not saying he did it, but he lived with the people MOST of us think DID do it for another 10 years after the murder. People talk, people whisper, sons ask questions.

    He clearly isn't talking to police, so he needs to get a best friend....a bit like the "friend" of Joran van der Sloot who befriended him and got a confession out of him which was recorded in his car.

    The information might be inadmissible, but it certainly could further a lead one way or the other.


    Just adding a bit after reading Murri's post.....the Ramsey's Priest would be a good person to interview.
    I know there's the whole "no speakee" thing with Priests, but really....if someone has confessed a murder how about "One cought for yes, two coughs for no Father"..... ;)
     
  8. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    ITA, Wonderllama, but I also think there may be a couple more people who do know what happened that night (or the gist of it,anyway). Number one on my list is Pam Paugh, and I believe JR will be taking care of her for the rest of his life. JAR would be my next best bet for knowing what happened. Would either of these two ever 'fess up? Probably not, unless JR should try to make Patsy the guilty one and then Pam would spill it all!
     
  9. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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  10. MurriFlower

    MurriFlower Inactive

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    Yeah, wonder of wonders LOL.

    As I said, the body would not really give any clues to the identity of the killer. It would really only assist after the perp is found by some other means, assuming the crime has left residual evidence that can still be detected in the remains (GHB is an example.)

    Naturally for RDI, they would still be in denial that it rules out the parents, nothing new there. To them, even foreign DNA is of no value, so I can imagine drugs wouldn't be either.

    For me, if GHB were to be detected, it would 'explain' the pineapple. Of course, it may have absolutely nothing to do with the crime at all. I don't expect the ME went through the entire contents of her stomach and meticulously identified the source of each the other components, so we don't know what other foods/drinks she may have consumed that are 'unexplained'.
     
  11. Tadpole12

    Tadpole12 Well-Known Member

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    Heyya MF.

    Yes.
    "N/A", no statute of limitation, for the first grouping of felonies, incl Murder, attempt, conspiracy, or solicitation to commit murder, kidnapping, attempt, conspiracy or solicitation to commit kidnapping,

    Sexual assault, aggravated incest: 10 years.
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave New Member

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    I'm glad this came up.

    It's true that murder has no limit, but the fact is, we don't know if JB was murdered in the legal sense. If it was unintentional, it's not murder.
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave New Member

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    I would agree, but in a much different way than you mean.

    I guess that depends on how you look at it. Indeed, lack of trying was, as I see it, exactly the problem. Even if you agree that the police and DA did their best, as I've devoted CONSIDERABLE time to explaining, Boulder's best is like anyone else's worst.
     
  14. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    True, BUT - there is no way to prove it was NOT intentional- she was strangled with a ligature and had a huge hole punched into her skull. Unless one of the Rs actually ADMITS what happened was an accident, as far as the legal status of this death- it is a murder.

    And while that skull fracture could possibly be an accident, it is hard to conceive of any accidental way that the strangulation occurred. If it was part of a sexual act not intended to kill- it is still murder- the death resulted from a criminal activity- sexual activity with a child.
    If it was staging- that is a crime in its own right. Tampering with evidence, tampering with a corpse. Not as severe as murder, but something I doubt the family will ever want to admit, even to solve the case once and for all. Why would they? There is no incentive for them to tell the truth. Two of the verified people in the home that night are out of the "bucket". One is dead, and the other can never be charged.
     
  15. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    Yes.Even IF the head bash was an accident and they strangled her (not knowing she was still alive) in order to cover it up and JR will ever confess this is how it happened,the report lists strangulation as COD and no way can he prove it wasn't by intent.Vicious circle.
     
  16. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    there is something I will never get.let's say this is how it happened (don't think so personally),BR or PR accidentally hit her (how can you accidentally hit someone that hard anyway?) or pushed her and she fell and hit her head or something.okay,you don't wanna admit you hit/pushed her.....why not just simply call 911 "I found my daughter,she's not conscious,she fell down the stairs,pls help".i can't believe someone would not call 911 just because she/he's afraid his/her CHILD will wake up and tell on them.but to rather stage something so creepy if it was only an accident..........i don't think so....
    there is more to this............and there is what the doctors said re prior abuse as well,the blood on the panties,etc.
    i guess my point is,if it was just a simple accident....there would have been no reason for SUCH a creepy psycho beyond my understanding staging(rape,strangulation).........hope this makes sense,am sleepy
    and why would you stage a sexual assault if you write a ransom note,doesn't make sense!either this or that.
    RN+head bash without sexual assault would have made sense/and why add strangulation anyway?head bash +rn would have been enough to suggest kidnapping gone wrong
    or
    sexual assault +a DIFFERENT kind of note,not ransom but something a la JMK maybe
     
  17. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye New Member

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    The Ramseys couldn't have called 911 after bashing JonBenet, and claim that she fell down the stairs, because her injury wouldn't have been consistent with that type of fall. If you fall down the stairs, I don't think you would have a fracture on top of your skull. Also, you would probably have bruises all over your body. The "fell down the stairs" excuse is used a lot by abusive parents so the hospital would be suspicious.
     
  18. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    you're right.still,if it was just an accident every person in their right mind would have acted differently IMO(re the staging).this is just too much.and a simple accident really doesn't explain their behaviour IMO
     
  19. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye New Member

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    I believe the head bash happened as a result of something that LE could never know about it. An accident would be something like Burke and JonBenet fooling around, Burke chasing JonBenet for fun, and her falling down the stairs and getting hurt. I don't believe the head bash was premeditated, but it was intentional. I believe the head bash was mostly likely made by a flashlight or the bathtub; and in both scenarios, LE would have a lot of questions.
     
  20. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    i think it's more likely that she was pushed or thrown into something (the bathtub is a good example) cause if she would have been hit with a flashlight or a bat the scalp would have been bruised/damaged.
    i don't think they tested her bedroom and her bathroom with luminol,did they?too bad if they didn't.the entire house should have been tested even if she didn't bleed much,we know there was blood on the gown,the pillow and on her panties.but maybe there was more.it would have told us maybe where it really happened or where it started.
     
  21. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    Blunt force trauma usually means being HIT on the head with something as opposed to hitting something with your head. The angle of the injury combined with the rubbery coating on the flashlight may have not broken the scalp. Closed scalp injuries like hers are not all that uncommon. Just because the skin was unbroken doesn't rule out the flashlight as the bludgeon.
    Her bedroom carpet (and bedsheets) were tested with a fluoroscope. Both tested positive for creatinine. Some crime photos show a small square of carpet cut out from the floor.
    The entire house was a crime scene- yet LE RUSHED to release it back to the family the very same day. Some of the BPD had to fight to keep it longer. The whole house should have been tested, there was so much more to look for. That is why it was never determined exactly where JB was killed. Even with the request for more time, the family got the house back too soon. Not that they ever went back themselves, but Aunt P was allowed to remove several police cars full of things from the house. I would bet the rent that some of the very things that are "missing" were taken then.
    The police wanted JB's body kept longer, too. Had this happened, we wouldn't still be debating whether a stun gun was used on her; Mayer would have tested the tissue for evidence of electric burns. Yet, the DA reused this request, instead making the ridiculous claim that the BPD wanted to hold the body for "ransom" i.e an interview with the parents.
     

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