What IS Terri GUILTY of?

[stmarysmead]

I just think if they had the evidence that pointed to Terri as the culprit she would have been arrested and charged by now. Nobody can be prosecuted on beliefs and opinions only. They took it to a grand jury, and nothing happened. Nobody saw her leave the school with Kyron, nobody saw him in the truck with her that day.
As for the MFH, I think it's the LS's word against hers and it can't be proven, so they won't be able to charge her without proof. People lie all the time. He lied for whatever reason, and LE looked like fools for trying to set her up.
I don't think she is guilty of anything related to Kyron. If she had been abusing him, he would have told his dad. And I see no evidence that she hated Kyron, other than the mom's statement. If you knew your child's step-parent hated your child, would you sit back and not do or say anything?
I still believe some predator snatched this child because the school was so crowded and no one was paying any attention. I will continue to believe that until LE releases the evidence to prove I'm wrong. It won't bother me one bit to admit that, as I've been wrong before. I just prefer to sit on the fence for now.

"I just think if they had the evidence that pointed to Terri as the culprit she would have been arrested and charged by now. Nobody can be prosecuted on beliefs and opinions only. They took it to a grand jury, and nothing happened. Nobody saw her leave the school with Kyron, nobody saw him in the truck with her that day."



I understand what you are saying. But...

If nothing exists, no evidence at all..if Terri is innocent and the "case" against her consists of only "beliefs and opinions"....why would she not fight for her child?

There are many things one might do...out of unfounded nervousness, when you KNOW you are innocent...give up a home, a job...but YOUR CHILD?

There are many things, a good lawyer could convince one to do..but THAT? Just to be extra careful...when there is ZIP? Nothing? Nada?

Under the conditions you describe, she has nothing to fear. This case is very public, would the police manufacture evidence at this point? Innocent people have been charged with murder...but there has to be something. Your opinion that there is NOTHING...no one saw anything...they have zip...makes it absolutely incomprehensible that Terri is not fighting for Baby K.

Furthermore, if there are no hateful emails, why doesn't Terri or her lawyer, demand Desiree stop making such statements? Call her bluff. If there is NOTHING...WOW...wouldn't that shut up Desiree in a hurry to be publicly proven a liar.

But no.

This woman...so sinned against...but not sinning...allows these types of statements..as do her lawyers. And they allow her Baby..at such a young and formidable age...to be absent from her so long...that the child probably barely remembers her.

For WHAT? For fear of nothingness? For fear of being suddenly framed when this case is already so public? Why does she fear the psych exam? Why has she not challenged one of Desiree statements.

Oh.

Because her lawyer says so. She has let her lawyers separate her THIS LONG from her child...when, as you believe, there is not one whit of evidence against her. She lives imprisoned practically with her aging parents...but it's just to be cautious.


That is quite a sacrifice. It's like having a heart transplant just in case the doctor is wrong and the pain is not indigestion.

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

What is Terri "Guilty OF?"

She is every woman's nightmare of a free and easy red-head coming in to break-up her marriage!!
She every small child's fear of the WICKED STEPMOTHER ,cold & punishing.
She is every man's fear of a woman out to get the most attention for herself and the most money she can rip off.
This has been the case in her THREE MARRIAGES. I don't think it's hard to see. The most horrible though is not her planned demise of Kaine who as an adult should have protected his children & seen thru her schemes !!. It is her complete an utter insensitivity to other people's offspring!! Her complete lack of a conscience. Kyron is dead & it didn't bother her one bit to off him. Her lil' daughter means nothing more than$$$$$$. Her teenage son gave her cash from his biological father & his adoptive father. That's all she's guilty of & you all are very unsympathetic to her "PERFECTLY NORMAL DEEDS":maddening:

 

[Pugnolia]

But what can shock hardened LEO's who have seen the worst of the worst? Surely not some sexy texting, an affair, or even bdsm or swingers.
Unfortunately, I can only come up with a few answers to that question. None of them good for Kyron.

My thoughts exactly. In my opinion, 'hardened LE' would not be shocked enough by sexting, pornographic pictures, affairs, or any other imagined infractions of acceptable personal behavior, to have made their statement that they had found out things that they wish they didn't know.

Sounds like bigger stuff to me.

 

[iluvmua]

What about her message on Facebook? "working out at the gym" where's the " Please pray for my missing stepson? where's the " My step son is missing and we need everyone to pray and help find him"?

She's guilty of killing him, period, end of story.

Everywhere she told LE she went proved to be false.

 

[browneyedgirl]

What if she had Kyron involved in a sex ring based around children? What if her taste for another style of life led her to some dark characters and eventually led to her home.....to Kyron.

What if what LE keeps referring to wishing they had not found what they did?

Could also help explain the curious circumstances surrounding the daughter....and visitation.

Maybe LE doesn't want to bring charges against her child *advertiser censored*...maybe they are holding out for homicide charges with special circumstance.....

I know it is totally outta the box....its hard to put your mind in someone else's.......especially someone whom i consider to be a murdering liar.....

JMHO.........:twocents:

 

[Trident]

My thoughts exactly. In my opinion, 'hardened LE' would not be shocked enough by sexting, pornographic pictures, affairs, or any other imagined infractions of acceptable personal behavior, to have made their statement that they had found out things that they wish they didn't know.

Sounds like bigger stuff to me.

Yes, it does sound like bigger stuff, but I don't recall them saying it was related to TH. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I took that statement to mean they uncovered "something/some things" that shook them up.

 

[tlcya]

respectfully snipped from Schmerty's post this page.

She is every woman's nightmare of a free and easy red-head coming in to break-up her marriage!!

I am not sure what being a redhead has to do with having loose morals and wrecking homes. I am not even sure I have seen Desiree quoted as stating that TH did indeed break up her marriage. I know that many of us here have speculated that may have been the case. As to the rest of your post I respect your right to your opnions.

 

[scandi]

I agree, Aedrys. I don't think Terri saw Kyron was a sexual object, but just a problem she wanted to solve. I'm sure lots of things factored into her dislike of Kyron: jealousy, resentment about the responsibility, wanting her own child to come first, wanting freedom from his curiousity and questions, possibly even wanting more child support for her own daughter in a possible divorce, etc.

Hi ThoughtFox, You could well be right about that. The thing that sticks in my mind is how Kyron begged Desiree to not be brought back to Portland. What could be going on that would make him feel that way?

Maybe she was just very verbal with him in a disciplinary way which made him uncomfortable. xox

 

[Pugnolia]

Yes, it does sound like bigger stuff, but I don't recall them saying it was related to TH. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I took that statement to mean they uncovered "something/some things" that shook them up.

I didn't think they were referring to any connection with TH either, and I agree with your bolded statement above. I just hope that someday we will learn just what their discovery was.

 

[scandi]

Yes, it does sound like bigger stuff, but I don't recall them saying it was related to TH. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I took that statement to mean they uncovered "something/some things" that shook them up.

. . . remembering during that Presser that when the Sheriff made that comment his voice cracked.

LE has given us reason to be suspicious about TH IMO. They have also intimated Kyron's disappearance was done by more than one person. If she wasn't high up on LE's guilty/involved list, why would they allow allot of the negative info we have learned about her to become public? I think the FBI in their laison role controlled all info given out to the public, and all was given out for a specific reason in working their strategy to solve the case.

IMO

 

[scandi]

I didn't think they were referring to any connection with TH either, and I agree with your bolded statement above. I just hope that someday we will learn just what their discovery was.

IMO it had to be something completely unexpected by LE that either affected Kyron's going missing in some way or was activity they uncovered while investigating the case. What would make a well seasoned cop almost break up at the thought of it? And also his peers, as he alluded they were all in shock by learning whatever it was. Shock is my word as I don't have his exact quote here.

xox

 

[eileenhawkeye]

What could they possibly have discovered that would shock them? If they found something that told them Kyron was dead, I don't think that would shock them. Most people think Kyron is dead and don't think anyone would truly be shocked if his body was found tomorrow. Saddened, disgusted, mad, yes, but not shocked. Shock implies to me something unexpected. One possibility I can think of that would shock LE officers would be if Terri had sold Kyron. Most of those cases seem to occur with teenage runaways not 7-year-old boys from seemingly nice families, so I can see why LE would truly be shocked if they had occurred. (I don't think Kyron was sold)

 

[scandi]

What could they possibly have discovered that would shock them? If they found something that told them Kyron was dead, I don't think that would shock them. Most people think Kyron is dead and don't think anyone would truly be shocked if his body was found tomorrow. Saddened, disgusted, mad, yes, but not shocked. Shock implies to me something unexpected. One possibility I can think of that would shock LE officers would be if Terri had sold Kyron. Most of those cases seem to occur with teenage runaways not 7-year-old boys from seemingly nice families, so I can see why LE would truly be shocked if they had occurred. (I don't think Kyron was sold)

Hi Eileen, I would think the 'selling' of a child would shock anyone but don't think that is it either. It doesn't match with the current statement by LE that they are looking for 'the little boy' with human recovery dogs in their new searches up on that mountain. I am sure by that statement LE believes he is dead. A child sold would be taken out of the area, wouldn't you think?

No, I think LE would be shocked to learn that Kyron was being exposed to some unsavory activity, especially if a family member was responsible for whatever might have been going on. I think that would be the worst thing to learn.

I also come back to the 'music' videos and how if what the maker of them alluded to was true, it would be shocking beyond compare. If there were say a cluster of people living up in the Skyline Rd area who were a part of some illegal activity dealing with children as victims. For the Sheriff it would be like a huge slap in the face to find this in your own backyard {so to speak} and then possibly connected to the taking of Kyron in some way by association.

Something like that happening is not that far out there IMO. Portland is high on the list of children being sold for sexual purposes. TH had associations with some bad people IMO if you take the example of the man who replied to her ad for a landscaper and even entertained murdering her husband for $$$'s !!! The sexting is another thing that to many of us seems sexually disfunctional on TH's part.. All IMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

Hi ThoughtFox, You could well be right about that. The thing that sticks in my mind is how Kyron begged Desiree to not be brought back to Portland. What could be going on that would make him feel that way?

Maybe she was just very verbal with him in a disciplinary way which made him uncomfortable. xox

I think Terri's whole attitude towards Kyron was negative and becoming even more-so. He must have known she wanted him gone, but how he could understand something so confusing at his age? I'm sure he had trouble putting into words what his homelife was like.

I think TH's discipline methods were way over the top for a seven-year-old in my opinion. Others might disagree with me, but I think it's horrible to make a child stay in his room all night doing homework over and over when he had already been punished at school in front of his peers. I've known parents like that, biological as well as step-parents, and their children often can't wait to tell someone, but considering that Terri was getting reports from the teacher as well, she seems to have had complete control of the situation.

So that's one thing I think Kyron tried to tell Desiree but since it was connected to school his mother might have thought he was exaggerating. Kaine might have also thought he was exaggerating. I don't blame them for that because TH was a good liar and was capable of playing a role as a sweet housewife and homeroom mother when it was to her benefit.

It's normal for kids to complain about parents and stepparents from time to time, and I think that's why no one listened to Kyron's fears about Terri. But he was a really small kid and at her mercy for many hours at a time. We'll probably never know everything he went through with her, and maybe sometimes he just had bad feelings without really knowing what was wrong. JMO

 

[scandi]

I think Terri's whole attitude towards Kyron was negative and becoming even more-so. He must have known she wanted him gone, but how he could understand something so confusing at his age? I'm sure he had trouble putting into words what his homelife was like.

I think TH's discipline methods were way over the top for a seven-year-old in my opinion. Others might disagree with me, but I think it's horrible to make a child stay in his room all night doing homework over and over when he had already been punished at school in front of his peers. I've known parents like that, biological as well as step-parents, and their children often can't wait to tell someone, but considering that Terri was getting reports from the teacher as well, she seems to have had complete control of the situation.

So that's one thing I think Kyron tried to tell Desiree but since it was connected to school his mother might have thought he was exaggerating. Kaine might have also thought he was exaggerating. I don't blame them for that because TH was a good liar and was capable of playing a role as a sweet housewife and homeroom mother when it was to her benefit.

It's normal for kids to complain about parents and stepparents from time to time, and I think that's why no one listened to Kyron's fears about Terri. But he was a really small kid and at her mercy for many hours at a time. We'll probably never know everything he went through with her, and maybe sometimes he just had bad feelings without really knowing what was wrong. JMO

A great post ThoughtFox and what you say makes such sense. I think you hit the nail on the head. Even if that were the least of it, it would be enough to make a kid want to live somewhere else, eh? xox

 

[pdx]

Portland is high on the list of children being sold for sexual purposes.

hi scandi, don't know if this will change your impressions, but there has finally been some push back on that conclusion. The FBI & others say that Portland is no 'worse' than anywhere else when it comes to crimes of child trafficking/prostitution etc.
Your quote still applies, but seemed like a good place to include this recent information.

Analysis: Despite reputation, no proof Portland is a hub for child sex trafficking
"I am not sure where that is coming from," he said. "That's an unreliable number."

Even Oregon FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said the stings were never meant for city-to-city comparisons or to determine the prevalence of trafficking.

"We try to stay away from rankings," Steele said. "It is a horrible problem that lots of cities share, and Portland is no worse or better than others."

Prostitution of children in Seattle mushrooms, while Portland's reputation suffers
"Portland has one of the most aggressive child sex trafficking task forces in the nation, led by the FBI.

The sophistication and visibility of that effort, combined with FBI secrecy about the program, have led people to falsely conclude that Portland tops the nation in the number of children trafficked.

“I giggle at that every time I hear it, to be honest with you. Everybody wants a ranking, everybody wants a number,” said Keith Bickford, a deputy sheriff for Multnomah County who serves as director of the Oregon Human Trafficking Task Force. “Is Oregon known across the nation as a place that we have a problem? Absolutely. Oregon has a large runaway youth population that fall prey to sex trafficking… Are we ranked somehow? No.”
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pdx sez: I wouldn't have selected 'giggle' as the most dignified description.

 

[Billylee]

For the record, Sheriff Staton, was asked by a reporter if people would be shocked when LE revealed what they know. Sheriff's Staton's answer actually discounted the word shocked, when he answered that people would be SURPRISED, he never used the word SHOCKED.

When asked if people would be shocked to find out what they know, Staton took a long silence.

"I know I'm taking a long pause on that, I have to think through that answer. I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you'll think about later on when it's over. We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know," he added.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html


So, what he is saying is in effect, NO, people will not be shocked, but they will be surprised. Actually the second part of his sentence it was I found intriguing, "things that you'll think about later on when it's over". Anyway, he did not say shocking, he said things you'll think about later.

 

[gitana1]

Murder.

 

[Rayne]

Hi everyone. I've been following this case since the beginning, but only discovered this forum yesterday. Last night I posted over in the "stranger abduction" thread, and today I found this one ... which is along the same lines of what I think.

I, too, think that she was doing something else that day that she shouldn't have been, and that's what she's trying to cover up. Of course, as others have said, what could possibly be worse than what everyone thinks she did? A mere affair couldn't be it, as her marriage is already wrecked, she's already given up her daughter, and even that wouldn't be as bad as killing a child. The only thing that would make her refuse to talk is if it's something (else) that she knows she would go to prison for. In her mind it might be better to endure being accused of something she didn't do as long as it kept her out of prison for what she did do.

What could be serious enough to send a first-time offender to prison? Serious drug charges? Some type of major theft ring? Another kill-the-husband plot?

I have also been baffled by the police statement that things would come out that will 'surprise' people and that they knew things they wished they didn't. I think this might have something to do with them finding out what TH was really doing that day - and if so, could partially explain why they won't call her a POI in Kyron's disappearance. They know something different.

I could well be wrong, but I've had the thought that the only reason a police officer would refer to things they "wish they didn't know" was if it was something disgusting but not necessarily illegal - something they couldn't do anything about. It seems to me if they'd discovered evidence of any prosecutable crime, he wouldn't say he wished they didn't know it. They might wish it hadn't happened, but it seems odd to say they "wished they didn't know" it. kwim? I guess I could be over-analyzing that statement, but ... it just always struck me as odd, and he did pause and choose his words carefully there. (of course, if it wasn't a prosecutable crime, then TH would have nothing to fear, so those two theories don't really mesh ... but then I never claimed to know everything ... really just tossing out ideas).

 

[iluvmua]

Do you think he meant maybe people would be surprised to know that Terri was not a part of this? I would be blown out of the water if in fact she is not involved in this.