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SeriouslySearching said:
I think we should have a thread for people who have definite theories on these cases. Please tell us your theory and/or if you believe they were unfortunate accidents.

If we ever get to an end in all of this...it will be interesting to see what theories came the closest. We are never always right or always wrong...but I think it quite interesting to see thought processes along the way and in the end. :)
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After watching Sons of Sam, would it be illogical to connect the work of the SFK to a helter-skelter type ideology?
 
My theory is people lost their mind over this theory 10+ years ago and started trying to connect things that simply aren't connected. A smiley face is the easiest graffiti someone can do, and the most common -- if you just go around your town or city to often graffitied places, you will see many types of smiley face as well as other 'newbie' graffiti, like the anarchist symbol.

People are looking for a theory to tie this together neatly because humans don't like the concept of chaos. They also don't like the idea that a precious son, brother, college student etc. could possibly make a simple, human mistake by drinking too much and ending up falling into the water. That means our son, brother, or friend could make the same mistake. It means a loss of a young person with talent and a future. It means we could make the same mistake -- or similar. If there's someone else to blame, that puts our mind at rest that it's unlikely to happen to us, or someone we know.

I know some of the deaths are legitimately suspicious, and I think those should be investigated. I'm not saying that the odd murder, by different people, here and there (but a rarity) is not possible. However, I think the majority of them are just simple accidental, and tragic, deaths that we want to try and give reason to, when there is no reason behind it; there is no deeper meaning, there is no group of evil women/men/'vigilantes' who use the deep web to coordinate attacks not just across America but now, the UK too.

It doesn't make the deaths any less tragic, but it also means that we ignore what the actual problem is -- college students, especially young men, drinking way too much and trying to walk home alone (what about running a campaign to reduce this behaviour, like free or reduced taxi rides paid for either in advance or by the college?), a lack of fencing/security around dangerous rivers (what about petitioning to make these areas safer?) and just a general assumption that 'that's what young people do in college and the status quo should never be challenged because freedom to do what you want trumps trying to change the status quo for the better'.
 
shinimeggie said:
My theory is people lost their mind over this theory 10+ years ago and started trying to connect things that simply aren't connected. A smiley face is the easiest graffiti someone can do, and the most common -- if you just go around your town or city to often graffitied places, you will see many types of smiley face as well as other 'newbie' graffiti, like the anarchist symbol.

People are looking for a theory to tie this together neatly because humans don't like the concept of chaos. They also don't like the idea that a precious son, brother, college student etc. could possibly make a simple, human mistake by drinking too much and ending up falling into the water. That means our son, brother, or friend could make the same mistake. It means a loss of a young person with talent and a future. It means we could make the same mistake -- or similar. If there's someone else to blame, that puts our mind at rest that it's unlikely to happen to us, or someone we know.

I know some of the deaths are legitimately suspicious, and I think those should be investigated. I'm not saying that the odd murder, by different people, here and there (but a rarity) is not possible. However, I think the majority of them are just simple accidental, and tragic, deaths that we want to try and give reason to, when there is no reason behind it; there is no deeper meaning, there is no group of evil women/men/'vigilantes' who use the deep web to coordinate attacks not just across America but now, the UK too.

It doesn't make the deaths any less tragic, but it also means that we ignore what the actual problem is -- college students, especially young men, drinking way too much and trying to walk home alone (what about running a campaign to reduce this behaviour, like free or reduced taxi rides paid for either in advance or by the college?), a lack of fencing/security around dangerous rivers (what about petitioning to make these areas safer?) and just a general assumption that 'that's what young people do in college and the status quo should never be challenged because freedom to do what you want trumps trying to change the status quo for the better'.
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yes you make sense and everything you say is and could be true and occurs. But not in this case......

I could not agree more concerning the unsafe way the students are treated after being served way over the limit. These bars make millions of dollars and ARE liable for what they do, although rarely are they held accountable.
 
Ixchel13 said:
yes you make sense and everything you say is and could be true and occurs. But not in this case......
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Why do you say that? What do you think shinimeggie said that is true and occurs but didn't in this case?
 
I think there is a connection with some of the cases, especially the young men from the bars ending up in the river. I say this, as I have said from personal experience and knowledge of similar incidents of assault on women that went on in the same area and bars in the late 1990s-early 2000s and I know exactly how it was done. I have posted about it in other posts on this topic. Do I believe it's a cult or group operating in concert across the United States, well no. I think maybe it's more of a copycat phenomenon at this point. Do I think some of these cases were suicide or accident, possibly, because some of the demographics just don't fit the profile of a SK if that's the theory people want to go with.

There's my two cents...
 
Springrain said:
Why do you say that? What do you think shinimeggie said that is true and occurs but didn't in this case?
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For one thing, folks do drink too much and drown. It
often occurs with others about, very quickly.

Find the similarities. Most of these victims attracted some sort of attention. They didnt just stumble out drunk and wander off and drown. In many cases, they seemed drugged. A lot of them attracted the attention of management for this and were thrown out.

Also, most were well liked individuals. So, now we have a well liked, very drunk individual, kicked out and drowned. With no enemies to investigate, and relevant witnesses to his drunkeness, LE says case closed every time.

This is the main similarity. the well liked thing is brilliant.
Not only was the victim drunk and disorderly, often way out of character by the way, but LE finds out they did not have anyone out to get them so they need not work that angle.

Shinimeggie wrote about major issues that must be dealt with to end this murdering. At this junction these kids may need to be saved from themselves, so to say. Stricter laws concerning drinking in these bars, how much can be consumed. If they want to get snockered late at night, they need to do it in the safety of their homes. lol
 
Ixchel13 said:
For one thing, folks do drink too much and drown. It
often occurs with others about, very quickly.

Find the similarities. Most of these victims attracted some sort of attention. They didnt just stumble out drunk and wander off and drown. In many cases, they seemed drugged. A lot of them attracted the attention of management for this and were thrown out.

Also, most were well liked individuals. So, now we have a well liked, very drunk individual, kicked out and drowned. With no enemies to investigate, and relevant witnesses to his drunkeness, LE says case closed every time.

This is the main similarity. the well liked thing is brilliant.
Not only was the victim drunk and disorderly, often way out of character by the way, but LE finds out they did not have anyone out to get them so they need not work that angle.

Shinimeggie wrote about major issues that must be dealt with to end this murdering. At this junction these kids may need to be saved from themselves, so to say. Stricter laws concerning drinking in these bars, how much can be consumed. If they want to get snockered late at night, they need to do it in the safety of their homes. lol
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this sounds jumbled. so I need to clarify.

We know these killers are out there, stalking these college bars, because so many of them are already incarcerated.

The ways and means the victims are abducted and killed are manifold, and the judgement is always the same.... their behavior caused it.

Their killers are not found by relentless diligence but when they kill or sexually assault again and make a mistake that time.

To the bars and nightclubs these students are just to be used however they see fit. 9O% of them do not give a hoot about the safety of their customers. They often kick out blacked out customers including young women.

So many of these victims, including Lauren and Hannah, were blacked out. Blacking out is still considered a desired state for this age.

Very hard to say but the charges for being blacked out in a bar need to be severe! Both for customer, and the bar! Instead of fines, which these bars could care less about, it should be closed down for X amount of days every time.
Fine for customer should start at 1,OOO.

And we must not confuse being drunk with being blacked out. there is a huge difference.

Just like someone checks IDs at the door when they go in, someone should always be there when they leave to make sure no one is blacked out. In which case they would need to make sure this client got home safely. Some of the earliest remarks about Lauren from the Kilroys waitresses and bartender was that she was very very drunk and how they described her behavior was that of someone blacked out. And they were still serving her until the moment they asked her to leave, but this also coincided with closing time so I think the waitress was lying about why she told Lauren to leave. Also, in these early Kilroys statements, someone said she was arguing with an older, unknown man
right before leaving. This could have been DM.

So this unknown older man is there at Kilroys, at closing time, bothering a blacked out young woman who is with a very drunk escort. He follows them
to Smallwood, and while loitering around there he sees them leave again and follows them to CRs house, and starts watching her from there now. Now, injured and blacked out, Mike Beth IMO gave her a snort of adderall which bolstered her enough for a handoff to bf Jesse, who took his sweet time getting there, meanwhile she is snatched by DM.

Back to the subject, should violent felons be allowed in these bars....and should
being blacked out be strictly monitored in these bars...
 
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I have wondered if this could all be the work of "incel" networks.

Basically, incels are angry men who are upset that resent women and highly, highly resent sucessful men.

These men are typically white, athletic, and good with women.

If this is a network of multiple people quickly sending information to commit these crimes, I think that incels may be a group to look into.
 
lonewanderer said:
I have wondered if this could all be the work of "incel" networks.

Basically, incels are angry men who are upset that resent women and highly, highly resent sucessful men.

These men are typically white, athletic, and good with women.

If this is a network of multiple people quickly sending information to commit these crimes, I think that incels may be a group to look into.
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I really just don't think that's possible, especially with how far and wide these accidents are happening. That's a horror film plot (like Unfriended 2), not reality.
 
Ethann said:
I also think they may be making a smiley face on the map if the dots are connected.my suspicion would be that Indianappolis cloumbus ohio,and lansing michigan form the nose in a v shape.the center of the bottom part of the mouth could be Cinncinatti and sT cloud the top left hand side of the mouth.eau claire wisconsin part of the left eye.sorry for so many posts but at this point i am open to many possibilites.lol
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I thought that too, relieved to know others seen it too!
 
If you look at solved cases (that were murders, not accidents... And not necessarily these cases), there are times you find the murderer didn't really have any particular motive. It's just they are a murderer and they happened to catch someone alone or in a situation where they would soon be alone.

I do think it's a good point that women could be involved in some way in this (in some cases). I don't necessarily think they have to have a reason beyond the fact they're a murderer. Although, i think it's likely they are an accomplice to a man therefore they absolve themselves of guilt (i don't agree with this, i just can imagine them thinking something like this) because they didn't land the killing blow. There are solved cases where female accomplices have said things like this even though they 100 percent participated in a murder.

While i think there could be some accidents mixed in with these cases, i think many of them are murders. I have read of more than one guy who had been in a fight (due to evidence, no one usually admits to seeing the fight) even if people say this wasn't an angry guy and didn't usually fight. There are also cases where it seems the guy was actively trying very hard to get away from someone and to protect himself. There are cases where the guy was very likely drugged or conned into drugging himself (but lied to about the effect of the drug).

I don't know if the murders are all connected, but some of them might be. I do think some murders of females around the same age could be connected.
 
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