What's eating you alive re this case?

[BBB167893]

You don't go to prison over accidents.

How could they know that, Scarlett? Patsy was from the south, where they go VERY rough on criminals.

And even then, it goes back to the part about losing their reputations. Even if they got away with it in court (they'd probably do no jail time, as you say), you'd still have all those pointing fingers. "Oh, look, Jane. There's Patsy Ramsey. She killed her own daughter. Dreadful!"
No to mention what Burke would have to live with.

No one accidentally kills their child with a garrote and then stages a kidnapping and a murder
If your child is hurt you call for help.

But what if JonBenet never recovered? What if she did and said what happened? What if they found what was inside her vagina?
Don't say that no one would do this, Scarlett.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

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[bxbbysoxer]

Hi guys!

I've stalked the threads on this site for a few years now, but always been a bit nervous about posting anything. JBR was killed the year before I was born, so even though I've been passionate about the case for a long time I kind of felt as though I'd make an idiot of myself ahaa.

So what's eating me about this case is three things - one, the first 911 call at the party. Was that a practice run for the police? I don't believe that, because I don't believe whatever happened was a premeditated act, even if there was a steady build up to it. So, if not a practice run, was it someone at the party who saw something? You have a period of time before the police arrived - and weren't allowed in, but that's a whole other point - for them to try and convince whoever called that it was a mistake, but why didn't they say anything during the call?? It drives me crazy because there's pretty much no way of knowing.

Second, and I think this is the case for most people, how was any of this allowed to happen?? Not just the police investigation or the media, but the lead up to it? How did no one pick up on the fact that there was something weird going on in that house? Looking over everything - even knowing we really don't have access to a lot of evidence, which is at now dangerous levels of frustrating - it should have been clear to someone that something was going on. Whether that was a doctor, teacher, or family friend. And no one said anything. I don't know if that's an American thing? To just never say anything, but I feel like where I'm from it's a bit more common to make a comment to someone about it, usually not outright, but to say something. Guess it just shows what you can get away with when you're white and rich. Anyone else, I don't even think it would have reached the point where a child could die, let alone been such a mess of a case.

And lastly - what was taken out of the house? Why did no one take an inventory? Why were they just allowed to walk out with their stuff, without even a search? There's so many things that could have been disposed of without anyone ever realizing.

Ahh, the more I type the more I keep thinking of things that eat me alive about this case. It's the worst.

 

[discovery]

Hello everyone

Thanks for this thread.
Ive been obsessed with this case from day one and always try and follow up on it as much as I can. There are so many details to get lost in and sometimes these very details tend to derail from the bigger picture-which end up giving me a headache

The one thing that has me twisted is the motive, why was JBR killed? (I'm someone who thinks RDI). Whether the blow to the head came first or the strangulation- what was the motive?

 

[BBB167893]

Hello everyone

Thanks for this thread.
Ive been obsessed with this case from day one and always try and follow up on it as much as I can. There are so many details to get lost in and sometimes these very details tend to derail from the bigger picture-which end up giving me a headache

The one thing that has me twisted is the motive, why was JBR killed? (I'm someone who thinks RDI). Whether the blow to the head came first or the strangulation- what was the motive?

There are a lot of theories as to motive, discovery. Some think she was killed to stop her from blabbing about being abused. Some think it was out of jealousy on Patsy's part, a la the Wicked Queen from Snow White And on and on. For my part, I don't think there was any motive to kill her: someone had a moment of extremely poor judgment.

 

[johnjay]

Hello everyone

Thanks for this thread.
Ive been obsessed with this case from day one and always try and follow up on it as much as I can. There are so many details to get lost in and sometimes these very details tend to derail from the bigger picture-which end up giving me a headache

The one thing that has me twisted is the motive, why was JBR killed? (I'm someone who thinks RDI). Whether the blow to the head came first or the strangulation- what was the motive?

Have you read Chief Kolar's book? His theory fits the pieces together best for me.

 

[Ambitioned]

Have you read Chief Kolar's book? His theory fits the pieces together best for me.

Not yet but I plan to get it.

What's eating me alive is that a beautiful little girl died horrifically and no one is going to answer for it.

 

[johnjay]

Not yet but I plan to get it.

What's eating me alive is that a beautiful little girl died horrifically and no one is going to answer for it.

That does seem to be the way this story will end.

If what Kolar suggests is indeed what happened then the person directly responsible could not have been held responsible.

But perhaps the reckless endangerment indictments against the parents would have served as justice.

 

[cattlekate]

It eats me alive that no in-depth, peer-reviewed, psychological analysis of Patsy Ramsey and her medications was done right off the bat. Patsy was so over-the-top in her perfectionism. Or at least her version of perfectionism. An analysis would've at least helped with the initial interviews and case direction.

It eats me alive that Boulder LE, in 1996 and 1997, was inexperienced, tight-lipped to the media, resistant to outside talent, defensive, stubbornly insular, and subject to political sway. Claudine Longet (1976), Ted Bundy (1977), Jon Benet, and Mark Redwine (2012). Pffft. There are lessons in Colorado county protocol and politics to be learned from these cases.

 

[discovery]

There are a lot of theories as to motive, discovery. Some think she was killed to stop her from blabbing about being abused. Some think it was out of jealousy on Patsy's part, a la the Wicked Queen from Snow White And on and on. For my part, I don't think there was any motive to kill her: someone had a moment of extremely poor judgment.

How awful, every possibility is just so terrible. To think of what may have went on in that house that night and the lengths taken to do what was done is so evil and strange. I hope the persons who know the truth find it in their conscience to speak out before they pass from this world.

 

[discovery]

Have you read Chief Kolar's book? His theory fits the pieces together best for me.

Hey Johnjay...I have, it was very interesting. The one thing I struggle with is the strength of the accused at the time, could he have really inflicted such force? and how did he not crack at such a young age? with all the psychological help that he may have received, how did no one dig it out from him, this would have been something very heavy to carry as a child.

 

[WhoKnowsWhat]

What I find most irritating is the Ramseys thought they could fool people into believing in their innocence. "The most hated couple in America" that's how much they fooled everyone. And another thing is that Patsy used a pediatrician after the murder as her doctor, who told LE she was too drugged and distressed to talk to them. Really? I Realize Patsy had some type of personal relationship with Dr. Beauf as he seemed most happy to comply with the Ramseys rather than LE. I also don't think he looked too hard to find out what was going on with JonBenet i.e. bedwetting and soiling herself and other infections.

JMHO

 

[BBB167893]

What I find most irritating is the Ramseys thought they could fool people into believing in their innocence. "The most hated couple in America" that's how much they fooled everyone.

They fooled me for a while, I'm sorry to say. But I get what you're saying.

And another thing is that Patsy used a pediatrician after the murder as her doctor, who told LE she was too drugged and distressed to talk to them. Really? I Realize Patsy had some type of personal relationship with Dr. Beuf as he seemed most happy to comply with the Ramseys rather than LE. I also don't think he looked too hard to find out what was going on with JonBenet i.e. bedwetting and soiling herself and other infections.

JMHO

Agreed, totally. He could have recommended specialists, but he didn't. Everything about the Doc stinks to High Heaven.

 

[madeleine]

They fooled me for a while, I'm sorry to say. But I get what you're saying.



Agreed, totally. He could have recommended specialists, but he didn't. Everything about the Doc stinks to High Heaven.

ITA.I have always asked whether his DNA was tested or not, never got an answer.One of my theories is that someone else was called over that night.If it was some accident they would have rather called him and not the ambulance?Oh where are those phone records....

 

[DeDee]

April-30-1997 PR Interview

TT: Okay. Now is Dr. Beuf still prescribing all that?
PR: No. Uh, Rebecca Barkhorn, that’s my doctor (inaudible)

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?5197-Patsy-Ramsey-BPD-Interview-April-30-1997

 

[johnjay]

I just finished reading this book and therefore did a little research and low and behold look at what I found:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8"]JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown


I'm not sure what that video has to do with the Ramsey case but the secret service agents have a very believable explanation of what was going on in that video and it has nothing to do with the assassination of JFK.

 

[DatelineFan]

You don't go to prison over accidents. No one accidentally kills their child with a garrote and then stages a kidnapping and a murder
If your child is hurt you call for help.


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Sadly, we've seen cases here on WS, that not everyone does call for help if there's an accident. I think some families fear that prior crime like abuse will be detected, so they try to cover up.

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[DatelineFan]

It really bothers me that the pediatrician never reported anything, that I know of. Wasn't he a mandatory reporter? Was that not an issue 20 years ago? All of those doctor visits and phone calls should have been a red flag. I just can't get over the fact that he wouldn't give access to them. I really feel that he's wrong for turning a blind eye to something, if he did. The bedwetting alone, is a red flag for abuse or infection.

IF there was a medical condition that wasn't caused by something nefarious, why not release it?

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[bxbbysoxer]

It really bothers me that the pediatrician never reported anything, that I know of. Wasn't he a mandatory reporter? Was that not an issue 20 years ago? All of those doctor visits and phone calls should have been a red flag. I just can't get over the fact that he wouldn't give access to them. I really feel that he's wrong for turning a blind eye to something, if he did. The bedwetting alone, is a red flag for abuse or infection.

He definitely knew something was going on, otherwise there's no reason to not give any info.

Surely the Ramseys paid him off, otherwise it would have been more beneficial for him to speak out? More money, a better reputation, etc.. I can't believe their pediatrician was just randomly loyal enough to not say anything. But if he's been routinely ignoring something that's happening, particularly red flags, then saying anything is really, really bad for him and the Ramseys would know that.

 

[bxbbysoxer]

Just a side note, I finally thought today who PR reminds me of whenever I see her theatrics - anyone remember the mother's reaction from Twin Peaks? :giggle: