WI WI - Dawn Schnetzer, 17, Menasha, 15 September 1978

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  1. bessie

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    On November 4, 1978 the nude, decomposing body of 17-year-old Dawn Schnetzer was found in in the wooded area off of Willow Road near County Road BB, Calumet County, WI.

    She was last seen on September 15, 1978 when a man she met in a Hortonville tavern gave her a ride to a Menasha neighborhood where it's believed she was going to visit a friend.

    This summer, LE released photos of a plaid shirt linked to the murder.

    Dawn Schnetzer cold case: Flannel shirt could unlock 1978 murder mystery
    Authorities seek DNA links to unlock 1978 murder mystery of Menasha teen Dawn Schnetzer
    Investigators hope for break in 1978 case
    Police take another look at slaying
     

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  2. vermontaigne

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    Can any of you read what that tag says? I mean, they're looking for info on the shirt and we can't find out even what the brand is?
     
  3. giagreen

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    I'm not sure if I am 100% right but from what I can read I get Venalo Sealon or Venalo Seaton. I can't make out if that is a t or l. Also not 100% on the e in seaton. Spanish? Latin?
     
  4. vermontaigne

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    Yeah, there seems to be or have been a Seaton mark. There are some vintage pieces on eBay. I wonder whether there's a little "by" in the lower left corner. Apparently there was one line called "Collegiate by Seaton," for example, but I can't find anything under "Venalo" or "Venato." "Veneto" is another clothing mark. The area around Venice (Venezia) is known as the Veneto, but this isn't a very Italianate shirt. Is it really flannel? Is there a size tag?

    One of the eBay items under this mark is cashmere, so they weren't all rock-bottom inexpensive, presumably. Was the Seaton label manufactured for some particular department store?

    The investigators acknowledge that soliciting info about the shirt is a long-shot. It was found stuffed into a culvert leading into the woods where Dawn Schnetzer's body was found. If there were a DNA match to a known offender, I think we would have heard about it by now. I can't really recall what any of my acquaintances or friends from 1978 wore, much less that they suddenly stopped wearing it.

    Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the killer did ditch the shirt--since there seems to be no blood on it--he probably was concerned he'd been seen with her, or near where she was dropped off, while he had the shirt on. She'd gone out for some Friday night drinks in Hortonville, though she was still 17. Not unusual back then. Her last recorded sighting, it seems, was by the motorcyclist who gave her a ride into Menasha, who passed a polygraph and cooperated with the investigation, early Saturday morning. She's said to have been dropped off a short distance from "where she was staying with a friend." That seems to leave a small window of opportunity for anyone to snatch her off the street. It seems to provide little motive for her to get in a vehicle with someone she knows. Her ride would probably have noticed if some vehicle had followed them from Hortonville, and a stalker would probably not have known where she was spending the night unless she'd mentioned it at the Hortonville bar, or at work that day, or her friend had mentioned it to someone who knew her. So, either a random abduction, or someone who knew her and knew where she was staying who set up in his vehicle to intercept her before she went into her friend's place, and was concerned that someone might have seen him in the vicinity in the shirt. I'm assuming the "friend," whose sex isn't mentioned, would have been questioned and deemed not a suspect.
     
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    http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...e-leads-surface-menasha-murder-case/13313765/

     
  6. scorpionsting

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    I wonder what the name of the tavern was? And who knew Schnetzer was being dropped off? And what was a 17 year old doing at a tavern? Was she drinking? Who was the bartender who served her? Was he/she charged with serving a minor? What time exactly was "early the following morning"?

    http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/2014/07/29/credible-leads-surface-menasha-murder-case/13313765/
     
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    Here's a shirt that appears to have a similar pattern to the plaid shirt in post #1 of this thread.
     

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    "Menasha police seek help in cracking cold case from 1978 slaying of 17-year-old girl"

    http://www.startribune.com/menasha-police-seek-help-in-solving-1978-slaying-of-teenager/322017391/

     
  9. pleasestandby

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    It's also possible the plaid shirt was staged, like her undergarments and t-shirt found hanging in a nearby tree. They also could have been staged. Her body propped against a log could have also been staged. It's also possible that, since her outer garments weren't found (or mentioned in the press releases as being found), Schnetzer was made to wear that plaid shirt by the killer(s) and transported to the location while wearing it.

    It would be interesting to know what they meant by "found hanging in a nearby tree". Hung neatly or thrown haphazardly?

    They couldn't determine the cause of death but I'm sure they could have determined approximately when she died based on the decomposition of the body and forensic evidence at the scene. Why have they not disclosed the time of death? Or even given a profile of the killer? It would help to know whether they're dealing with a one-time crime of opportunity or a serial killer who has committed similar crimes, such as the July 1, 1972 killing of another Wisconsin 17 year old, Cynthia Jane Allen, six years previously, whose clothes were also found hanging in nearby trees. She was held for 17 days before being killed based on news reports. Based on what forensics show at the crime scene, Dawn may have also been held for a period of time.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?271276-WI-Cynthia-Allen-17-Marinette-11-June-1972

    A view of 608 Broad St., Menasha, WI, where Dawn Marie Schnetzer was headed to. Hank's 5th Ward Tavern, 600 Broad St., on the corner of Appleton & Broad Streets, can be seen two buildings to the left of 608 Broad St. Was the "short distance away" from 608 Broad St. east or west of 608? If it was west of 608 Broad St., she may have stopped at the bar, if it was open.

    https://goo.gl/maps/grZII

    If she hopped off the bike a short distance before her destination, that would be more logical since Hortonville, WI is west of Menasha WI. That would make the former Hank's 5th Ward Tavern, now DBA Five O'clock Somewhere being where she was last seen.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2019961,-88.4425052,3a,75y,342.93h,76.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4yBs3e1GzzhqV0W8DbN_2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    https://goo.gl/maps/1jmcB

    It would be nice if LE would state the exact time she was dropped off. "Early the following morning" doesn't cut it for a timeline, nor does keeping the destination address and the gender of the "friend" hidden from the public, IMO.
     

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    None of the news articles I've read disclosed the approximate date of death. They stated the body was decomposed but not the approximate date of death based on forensics. Does anyone know whether that information was given out?
     
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    I had made the above post on the Stevens Avery thread and am also posting it here in the event someone might see any connection between the Dawn Marie Schnetzer murder and the Teresa Marie Halbach murder since Schnetzer was found so close to Teresa Marie Halbach's mother's home.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?298247-Netflix-to-stream-new-documentary-on-Steven-Avery-3
     
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    Though the murders of Teresa Halbach and Dawn Schnetzer are 27 years apart (Dawn Schnetzer was found murdered on Willow Road in the Town of Woodville, Calumet County, WI), I still find it interesting Dawn's body was found only two miles north of Teresa Halbach's house.

    https://goo.gl/maps/nAsqCrsUdut

    Names and addresses of people who live/lived in the area of Teresa Halbach's address at W3637 County Road B, Hilbert, WI and the property on Willow Road where Dawn's body was found.

    http://profilogical.com/wisconsin/54129-932.htm
     
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    My uncle is best friends with Dawn's brother -they grew up together. However, I do not consider myself an insider in this case because I have never lived anywhere near Wisconsin. I do know that what happened to Dawn has had a profound impact on her family. Her brother still struggles with this today.

    (I posted this on the Larry DeWayne Hall thread but am copying here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?247928-IN-WI-LARRY-DEWAYNE-HALL-1980-s-90-s)

    I'm wondering if Larry DeWayne Hall has been looked at in the Dawn Schnetzer case? (I realize many suspect Avery in her case as well, including some of her family). I see a strong similarity with the Laurie Jean Depies case, which he has confessed to. Laurie Jean Depies was kidnapped in Menasha in 1992. It looks like his earliest suspected case is in 1981 which isn't that far off from Dawn's 1978 case.

    Also, I have no idea who made this great map of Hall's potential victims but I stumbled upon it and wanted to share:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...7522236329&z=5
     
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  15. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    This case and some other cases are mentioned in this report below:

    Her badly decomposed body was found on Nov. 4, 1978, by a farmer who was cutting wood in the Calumet County town of Woodville. Her remains were discovered roughly 10 miles from where Schnetzer was last seen in Menasha. Authorities are unsure if Schnetzer was killed before being taken to the wooded area or if she was murdered there.

    Oleszak said there have been no recent major developments in the Schnetzer case, but that doesn’t mean the trail is cold.

    “We’re still working on it,” he said. “You need that new information. It may be weighing on (the responsible person) for many years, or a witness could come forward.”

    Unsolved and unresolved: Old murders, kidnappings attract attention of police, public
     

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