AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #11

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  1. the seeker

    the seeker Well-Known Member

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    I see Mark's point. I have been going back and forth between Denise being the target or Jayme (I tend to lean toward Jayme). IF Jayme was the target why kill Denise? Was the stuff about baracading herself in the bathroom true or speculation? If true, why would they go through the trouble of hunting her down and killing her? Was it because Denise knew the suspects and could identify them? Same goes for if Denise was the target why take Jayme? Why not just kill her (and I do not subscribe to the "they didnt want to kill a child" thinking. These people don't care-they WANTED Jayme alive for a purpose,at least at first)? Because Jayme could also identify them? I dont know...I still think Jayme was the target, Denise could identify them, and dad was in the way (he may have known them too).
     


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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Same here. I live on a farm and we generally only lock our doors at night when we sleep-and that's when we remember. During the day, our house remains unlocked, as do many of the others in my neck of the woods. In fact, we joke about it being "rude" to lock your door because what if someone needs something? ;-) I could also see kicking the door in if I came home and encountered this, since it would be an anomaly. I don't actually think that's what happened here, but I could feasibly entertain the scenario.
     
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    We don't know any of this.
     
  4. HayLouise

    HayLouise Law Student

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    HOLD ON! I found it.

    Sheriff Fitzgerald says a 911 call came in around 1A.M. The call came from a cell phone inside the residence but it’s not known who made the call. “We could hear yelling in the background on this 911 call, not much information," said Fitzgerald.

    He says the call lasted less than a minute and the only word that can be understood is “help”.

    (However, in a later story, it's reported that there's no clear communication on the 911 call.)

    UPDATE: Sheriff: Missing girl was in home at the time of the murders
     
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  6. Mollyandme

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    JMO but if Denise had more it could mean she was the target, as the perp had more anger towards her, thus more gunshots.
     
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    The neighbor on the other side who is much closer heard nothing?
     
  8. MsBetsy

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    Right, it has not been confirmed that she was in the bathroom. All we have been told by LE and information from the dispatcher report is that she was found in the house. She may have been found in the living room or the bedroom or anywhere. Since the shots were only seconds apart, my guess is she was not too far behind James when she was shot. According to the facts, it seems unlikely that she was hiding in the bathroom. Jmo
     
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    Bugurl747 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the link! BBM
    "On HLN's "Crime & Justice" Wednesday night, Fitzgerald told host Ashleigh Banfield that deputies had recovered the cell phone from which the 911 call was made.
    Fitzgerald said additional agencies, including the FBI, are involved. "They are the experts in breaking down 911 tapes, looking at our phones, and taking care of all evidence in that manner," he said.
    Authorities said they have determined whose cell phone the call came from, but declined to identify the owner. "
     
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  10. MsBetsy

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    Oh wow, I didn't know there was a neighbor who is closer. Maybe they weren't home? Seems unlikely they would not have been interviewed.
     
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    Whiskers16 Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    here is one link I received:

    Stitcher link to podcast version: Crime & Justice with Ashleigh Banfield

    the relevant part of the segment begins at approx. 18:44, for reference.

    on my phone so will post the other separately
     
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    Whiskers16 Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Here is another with elektroangel's intetpretation:

    He states that one of the vehicles that someone called in was not the vehicle they were looking for. Not that they are no longer looking for the vehicles.

    Crime & Justice with Ashleigh Banfield by HLN on Apple Podcasts
     
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    Fitzgerald is quoted in AB interview as saying they have the cell phone from which the 911 call was made, but declined to identify whose phone it was.
     
  14. BeeGirl

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    May be a rage thing; sort of like when a stabbing victim has one wound v. 98 stab wounds.
     
  15. the seeker

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    Ok, thats understandable....but what if the target was Jayme? They would still need to enter the home. James was not the target, clearly, but Mark's reasoning doesn't exclude Jayme being the target, at all.
     
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    @otto. I don't have a problem with arithmetic. :)

    The neighbor said she set her clock ahead. So we have gunshots heard in the middle of the night, a witness who seems a bit unreliable, and a clock that doesn't tell the right time.

    I don't have complete confidence in taking her word about the exact minutes she heard the shots.

    jmo
     
  17. human

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    I looked at the GIS map that was posted above.

    WGX Mobile

    Maybe I am not reading it right?
     
  18. MsBetsy

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    Yes, he did say they have the phone but will not reveal who it belonged to or whether or not Jayme had her phone with her or even that she had her own phone at all.
     
  19. JaneEyre

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    Yup. One of my neighbors called me about something she saw on Facebook (a lost animal). She didn't know who she was talking to, and we had never met. She asked me at some point if we were the new people. I said, well, 5 years ago. She then said no, we couldn't be the people she was thinking of who moved in a year or two ago. I described the house (we are also the only "new people" out here) and she was shocked we had been here 5 years. Time flies. Many people have "impressions" rather than knowledge of their neighbors' situations.
     
  20. BeeGirl

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    I agree. I've taken their words with a grain of salt since she said she saw a bus every day, yet somehow was unaware they had a child. That was nonsensical to me.

    JS: That I can't tell you, I just know that the school bus dropped her off?
    BANFIELD: And you would see her dropped off daily in front of the house by the school bus?
    JS: Yes.
    BANFIELD: But other than that, you didn't see collections of friends coming and going from that house?
    JS: No. We didn`t even know they had any children. They just weren't out there doing things.​
     
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