Discussion in 'Rebecca Zahau Nalepa' started by Salem, Nov 18, 2013.
A BIG hurdle, IMO.
IMO the conversation put forth (again and again) to talk about shoplifting and Max's accident, served very well to deflect from an awesome analysis of Rebecca's murder. Some very insightful conversation was being had around knots tied (and falsely presented), evidence NOT collected (lack of clothes, knives, etc), blatant misrepresentation from LE, who viewed porn, how the autopsy report aligns with the knots, lack of lie detector tests, and the verified sighting of two key POI at the mansion that night. Just to name a few. Can we get back to dissecting all of the numerous discrepancies and not get distracted? And, when I say "we", I mean "you all" since I haven't been part of the discussion. But, I have been reading and pondering. And, for what it is worth, I live in Coronado. Not one person I've talked to believes this was suicide. I won't even tell you what the Arizona folks call this murder (and they do think murder too).
Thanks BBL- the good news is that it didn't work (thread getting shut down)! Do the Arizonians call this a payback murder? I never thought I would say that but with all the talk of Max being murdered by Rebecca- here and out of his own mothers mouth- what else could it be? It certainly wasn't a suicide- IMO. Thanks for helping get this back on track- Frigga
Hello BBL and Frigga,
With all due respect, just because you are not interested in the subject I've been discussing does not mean I am trying to get the thread closed down.
Please put me on "ignore" if you do not wish to read my posts. TIA
Bless you bless you bless you!!
I hope that this doesnt lead to more heartache for RZs family. They seem so sweet.
The warrant lays out the situation well.
The officer seems reasonable and responded to RZ as a suspicious death.
They certainly spent plenty of time at the scene.
I dont get though why if, as stated that one post from a self defined local, that all of Coronado lacks confidence in their LE why in all this time no action has been taken against the officers and the department.
Jade, the next hearing is the Demurrer / Motion to Strike scheduled for 11/21/2014 at 01:30:00 PM, PST.
I think it will be thrown out of court, as the evidence pointing to suicide is overwhelming, and the evidence pointing to murder is nil.
And the story the Zahaus' and their attorney came up with is something that could not have possibly happened. IMO.
IMHO, I'm not surprised at all that X was having a difficult time with the 911 call. She was a child herself, witnessing a horrible accident. I'm not surprised at all that she was sent home as RZ knew she wouldn't have time to help her through the trauma that would likely follow witnessing something so horrific. Through this transcription, it appears Nina was having a bit of a time herself considering all the "ums".
From this snippet it's very hard to determine what else was discussed during the call but it sounds as if dispatch also did a terrible job. If they listened to someone in the background (RZ) that was possibly doing CPR for the address and didn't verify it, that's pretty sad.
Was the dog being mentioned supposed to lead to the question of why RZ kenneled the dog during this time? I don't understand what the implication is here. If I thought I wouldn't be spending enough time at home during a crisis I would kennel my dogs too. I would be making every effort to assure I could devote my time to helping those around me.
The bolded part shows how much credence this should be given, IMO. So and so said so and so said so and so did it. Hmmmm
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What RZ told the officers on scene:
Since RZ wasn't welcome at the hospital she wouldn't anticipate being gone that much. Myself in such a situation I would need my dog so not to be alone.
It does bring to mind some that make arrangements so to speak before a suicide.
There was a strong inference made by Rebecca that that the dog was to blame for Max's death. Whether that was the truth or not -- there's every reason to kennel the dog, right there.
I doubt it had anything to do with suicidal thinking. Mainly as her death clearly was not a suicide.
Rebecca reported that Max said, "Ocean", the dog's name, before slipping into unconsciousness. Something that would have been medically impossible, IMO.
Some believe, as I do, that Rebecca staged the scene with the chandelier and the dog to cover up what really happened.
Rebecca gave the wrong address to the 911 operator. That is the reason for the address confusion.
Hmm... yes, that is definitely what Dina believed in my opinion and became motive for murder.
Since no one here has actually heard the tape of the 911 call when MS fell, there really is no point discussing it. A link to an interview given just before RZ's family was to appear on the Dr. Phil show by NR is not a good source. IMVHO. Everything that she stated in that interview was to show how neither she nor her twin could have been there could have done something to RZ and at the same time throw suspicion at RZ and her minor sister. What NR states that she heard "1040 Ocean" when she heard the tape isn't good evidence AFAIC. It's simply a link stating that a person named in the lawsuit as a defendant stated that is what she heard when she heard the tape. It's useless.
We have no idea what RZ was saying to XZ, a minor, who was only visiting the property and had just arrived, who was on the phone with 911 during a major crisis. I do imagine that things could be confusing. I suppose that someone, say a person who was convinced that her nephew was harmed by the person or persons making the 911 call might just hear what she wants to hear as well. Again, it's not evidence of anything what NR told a reporter that she heard.
On a personal note, this is when things changed for me thinking about this case. I was convinced that it was JS/AS, I really hadn't thought too much about the twins. Then the w-r-i-s-t-l-e-t and the not touching the gate and the only light on in the whole place and blah blah blah. Add the tone and cadence of various hate filled posts across the webz....well, here we are today.
This is a rhetorical question. It is also a useless one.
To diagram this posting: first there is an inference of guilt. Then there is a rhetorical question which comes right afterwards ( kind of like a one-two sucker punch). The fact is that neither you nor I know why she left town. You have your theory. Mine is that XZ was traumatized and needed to leave so that RZ could take care of Jonah and everything/everyone else.
Now, I know that by responding to this, I am taking your bait. I'm not going to continue to take the bait, though and I'm calling it as I see it.
Now, let's get back to the discussion from before that was on track. Personally I believe that there is a 'smoke and mirrors' ploy to derail this thread. I would like to remind everyone to stay on course and not get tripped up by deflection and detours.
I bring this up because most of us here feel Max's accident was a real strong motive for murder in this case. I have personally had this happen to me (the Bolded part), I cannot even imagine the many different scenarios that could have taken place to cause Max's eventual accident; scooter hits an object, the dog hits Max on the scooter, Max tries to ride the scooter down the railing- on and on and on.
This on scooters and accidents- the BBM part is something that stands out to me and could be significant to what happened that day with Max:
The scooters made their debut in late 1999, and accidents have kept pace with sales. In May of 2000, that month's scooter-related injuries seen in U.S. emergency rooms topped 500. In August, the one-month total reached 4,000, and by September figures hit a high of 9,000-an increase of almost 1,800 percent in five months.
One-fourth of these accidents happened to children less than 8 years of age. Ann Brown, chairwoman of the Consumer Products Safety Commission (CPSC), stresses that scooters are much too dangerous for children in this age group. For example, the body of the scooter is very low to the ground, making it unable to accommodate irregularities in pavement. As a result, raised areas in sidewalks can cause it to drag, throwing the rider forward over the handle. Another problem is that if the scooter hits a rough spot in the pavement, or a twig or a rock, the tiny wheels are stopped dead or driven sideways, again potentially causing the same type of accident.
I'm confused. I thought Nina said it was XZ on the phone. Relying on background voices seems totally irresponsible. Did the dispatcher ask XZ to repeat the address to know what was heard was correct?
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Could you please kindly post a link for this above quote that's attributed MZL? I'm having trouble finding it, but I did find these:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/sep/14/citylights2-rebecca-zahau/?page=2 This article is dated 9/14/11
The above article is a very early one, published on 7/15/11. It goes on to say that MZL thought that AS was the only was staying at Speckles at the time (aside from RZ obviously).
There is also an audio/radio interview from this link, which is dated 9/2/11
http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/09/01/20110901detectives-announce-findings-friday-womans-death-shacknai-mansion.html#ixzz3CUTCu7rC This article is dated 9/2/11 as well.
In the dark, I have that link but since you have me on ignore I cant help you.
I'm tired of the baseless attacks just becouse I want to post about a case I have a connection to.
I am not trying any of those ploys I'm being accused of I am just contributing within TOS like any other long time member
Hopefully the " friends" all have me on ignore so I dont have to bear then every time I'm here
Seeing what is being said about my posting makes me question OP theories even more since they are so wrong about me.
You all will not run me off I've been here too long but I dont have any intrest in being around you all attacking me - what a waste a waste of time
Poor poor Rebecca
Hi BBL and :welcome: !
BBM: I think its worth a lot that you live in Coronado. Thank you for joining the discussion.