• #34,721
I think annoyance is just human nature. It’s ok to be annoyed. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about Nancy. When someone with video cameras blocks your driveway and is filming you on your morning walk with your dog, or random people are in your yard or parked outside your home for over 2 weeks pretty much anyone would get annoyed. I would. This is a super quiet neighborhood and they aren’t used to this. It’s perfectly natural. The frustration with not knowing what happened or where Nancy is, is palpable at this point.
Absolutely and it's important to note their annoyance is with media, not law enforcement. It isn't just Fox and CNN camped out on their street. They're probably tired of being harassed by YouTubers, tabloid reporters, clout chasers and all the other assorted ghouls who come to gawk at tragedy. I don't doubt they want Nancy found just as badly as the rest of us.
 
  • #34,723
Maybe the family want to do them, to get the pressure off their backs.
IMO, the Sheriff received push back for clearing the entire family. Polygraphs are also part of the department's due diligence , imo.
 
  • #34,724
Ok. I took a copy of the photo and played with the light levels sharpness contrast and definition. There is a pattern on the jacket! I'm confident that's a different jacket than lantana guy. It looks like swirls or the way light plays off of rip stop nylon. View attachment 646386
Camera noise. At low light levels, the camera uses high gain (high ISO), which amplifies the signal but also the noise. You can see noise patterns in the sky, too. Very low contrast in this image – you can barely see the eyes and the holes for them in the mask. Detail is being obliterated.

The camera is in night mode and emitting infrared from its own LEDs. In this still, I suspect those LEDs weren’t at full brightness so the image (and the video it was taken from, which hasn’t been released) is noisier. Heavily cropped, too, before release.

More on Google Nest’s modes and its IR LEDs here:


Interesting note on that page about the use of torches to attempt to ‘blind’ a camera.
 
  • #34,725
I think annoyance is just human nature. It’s ok to be annoyed. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about Nancy. When someone with video cameras blocks your driveway and is filming you on your morning walk with your dog, or random people are in your yard or parked outside your home for over 2 weeks pretty much anyone would get annoyed. I would. This is a super quiet neighborhood and they aren’t used to this. It’s perfectly natural. The frustration with not knowing what happened or where Nancy is, is palpable at this point.

Their homes are some of the safest in the country right now. They’re basically getting free security. That’s the way I’d feel if I was living there.

MOO
 
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  • #34,728
Does anyone know who dropped her off, and why so late? I wonder if it was a special celebration. Usually elderly people don’t stay up that late.
9:45 or 10 pm is not "late" for many seniors.
 
  • #34,729
Just an indication that Sheriff Nanos is not that into putting his face on everything as some think basing on his media appearances 😅
The man just has to navigate in a very complicated case and IMO is trying his best. JMO
 
  • #34,730
The more sophisticated the ransom notes get, the more LE can run them with AI through AI filters..Evidence - adjacent artifacts like chatbots for example allow for an investigative force multiplier. Good!

Cheers,
Nin
 
  • #34,731
I think this is their article on this….

Such confusing words-
In a follow-up message, 12News asked Nanos if (LD) remained under investigation by the sheriff's office. He said, "We do not identify persons of interest. We met with the person of interest and he complied with our court order and he was released," Nanos said.

And of interest to me: BBM- I don’t understand why he needed a vehicle as he would likely be headed back to prison when his case goes to trial in may. The last part of the bolded sentence doesn’t match what court records say. Maybe he is out on probation UNTIL his trial— in May 26. Pima County Superior Court - Agave Online (Public Record Search)


….in 2022, he was arrested and would later be convicted of drug distribution charges. He was sentenced to four years on probation. He was arrested again in early 2025 by Marana Police in possession of fentanyl and a gun. A probation officer has filed to revoke his probation, but a judge has allowed him to continue on probation in the community.
 
  • #34,732
I note Patel says there:

“Additional recovered images from the same camera at Nancy Guthrie’s front door the morning of her disappearance, including two videos of the individual.”

So, “the individual”. Implies the same one person in all those images.

And, “same camera”, and “the morning of her disappearance”. So, same camera, and same date.

jmo

Kash's phrasing totally blew by me first go around. I was too shocked by the images themselves. Thanks for posting.

That means the photograph with no backpack is likely ex post facto because he had already attempted to cover the camera with foilage when he initially saw it, and when he had his full gear on. I am assuming that this photo then is the perp when he came back to remove the camera (and may have Googled how to remove if you're reading LE!) after already doing what he was there to do, and probably as an attempt to permanently conceal photos/videos.

What that would also mean is that they likely have NG on video leaving her home, and probably can surmise whether she was alive at the time.

JMO.
 
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Such confusing words-
In a follow-up message, 12News asked Nanos if (LD) remained under investigation by the sheriff's office. He said, "We do not identify persons of interest. We met with the person of interest and he complied with our court order and he was released," Nanos said.

And of interest to me: BBM- I don’t understand why he needed a vehicle as he would likely be headed back to prison when his case goes to trial in may. The last part of the bolded sentence doesn’t match what court records say. Maybe he is out on probation UNTIL his trial— in May 26. Pima County Superior Court - Agave Online (Public Record Search)


….in 2022, he was arrested and would later be convicted of drug distribution charges. He was sentenced to four years on probation. He was arrested again in early 2025 by Marana Police in possession of fentanyl and a gun. A probation officer has filed to revoke his probation, but a judge has allowed him to continue on probation in the community.
"We do not identify persons of interest. We met with the person of interest and he complied with our court order and he was released," Nanos said."

What? We don't, we do.
 
  • #34,735
Regarding ransom note to TMZ: if I wanted to give a tip but keep a low profile with the folks I know who are implicated, I’d be stealthier. Send to local newspaper and tell them to give to police. A tip to TMZ seems like a death sentence for the tipster if you really did know who did it. You can’t be one of many who knows. Unless it’s a ruse and it is the perpetrator posing as a bystander.
 
  • #34,736
I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods. (sorry i didn't know the rule about links.. i was afraid of giving free advertising 😅)

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I think this is the coat. Rothco Special Ops Subdued Urban Digital Camo Softshell Jacket. The ultra reflective full zip gives it away as civilian wear. No military garb is going to have zippers that light up like that under IR camera sources. That's a safety feature for consumer goods.
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You need to add a link to the jacket as per rules 😊
 
  • #34,738

Nancy Guthrie's Captor Had a 'Target,' Says Sheriff: 'He Has Made It Tough'​



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.


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In an aerial view, Nancy Guthrie's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona

Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home has been the scene of numerous investigations into her Feb. 1 abduction.
Brandon Bell/Getty


Nancy Guthrie, Nest Camera

Masked intruder captured on camera in the early morning hours of Feb. 1, at Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home.




 
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  • #34,739
Will someone highlight the possible ring please? I can't see it.

Edit - saw it. Looks like cut off gloves under those outer gloves to me.

JMO.
 
  • #34,740

Nancy Guthrie's Captor Had a 'Target,' Says Sheriff: 'He Has Made It Tough'​



The sheriff at the forefront of the investigation into the abduction of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, believes the captor had a clear target in mind.

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In an aerial view, Nancy Guthrie's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona's residence is seen on February 17, 2026 in Tucson, Arizona

Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home has been the scene of numerous investigations into her Feb. 1 abduction.
Brandon Bell/Getty



Nancy Guthrie, Nest Camera

Masked intruder captured on camera in the early morning hours of Feb. 1, at Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Ariz., home.




And that last comment about the ring is just one of many reasons online sleuths using their hive mind can be beneficial!
 
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