17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[iluvmua]

Maybe he was just repeating himself?

Pure speculation: I can envision a scene with GZ stopping pursuit, bending over to catch his breath, and then repeating himself to the dispatcher. It's getting dark, or is already dark out, it's rainy, visibility is poor, and GZ doesn't realize how close TM is to him. After GZ gets off the phone, TM confronts him (or GZ realizes TM is nearby and confronts him). Speculation only.

The biggest problem that I have with this case is that, unfortunately, GZ's story is plausible. And the scant witness account(s) and evidence appear to support his version (or most of his version) of events. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc.

If it turns out GZ's story is correct then what? would JJ and AS still be calling for the arrest of Zimmerman?

 

[tlcya]

Or maybe he was going to get in his car and drive to the back gate, where he thought TM was heading. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc. (I need a cow icon for all my MOOing)

type the word moo or cow inside of two :s you will have your icon

:moo:

 

[iluvmua]

I think the best thing would be to wait until the tox reports come back.

 

[Sensei]

Or maybe he was going to get in his car and drive to the back gate, where he thought TM was heading. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc. (I need a cow icon for all my MOOing)

Then they wouldn't have had to call him at all because he was sitting at the gate waiting for them...he could simply have told the dispatcher that.

Unless he was not in his vehicle when the called LE originally, then it very much appears that he did NOT break off following TM when dispatch told him they did not need him to do that, if he had he would have been back to his vehicle long before the shooting, IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[gxm]

If it turns out GZ's story is correct then what? would JJ and AS still be calling for the arrest of Zimmerman?

Absolutely. This case has reached the point of no return and I don't see JJ or AS easing up. This is not a cut and dry case and there will be no easy or tidy outcome. The media circus just makes it all the worse.

 

[Sensei]

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I don't know about couldn't wait to put a bullet into anyone, and I certainly don't think that and have not read it on this board, but the evidence shows that he certainly was not willing to wait for LE to get there, in other words he couldn't wait to get out of his car and follow the suspcious young man, and the fact that he had a loaded gun with him when he did it is undisputed.

 

[songline]

no one denies his right to say whatever he chooses, and he is not going to be arrested for what he said, even if it is the rankest of racial slurrs

But, when you make a racial slur on the phone when you are talking with LE, you really should know full well that those calls are recorded, and when after making a racial slur against a specific group of Americans a 17yr old boy of that ethnicity ends up dead, shot by your gun, you should be aware that people are going to imply motives based on the racial slur and the result of your actions that night.

Has nothing to do with freedom of speech...

They always get away is not a racial slur.
Identifying TM as a black male is not a racial slur.

RACE came in with AL Sharpton. Which reminds me I wonder
if AL ever did justice to any case the ones I remember always ended up
to be something much different then what Al wanted to portray.

 

[LambChop]

There is a contradiction about the running. The only person saying TM was running was GZ but where TM's body ended up does not indicate TM was running because he did not get very far. TM's gf claims she told him to run and he said no, he was walking fast. So we are assuming he's running because GZ said so. GZ also was painting a picture to LE of someone who was up to no good and was "headed for the back gate" but when you look at where his body was found he was not headed for the back gate but parallel to it and no where near the back. We still have no idea if TM was running only that GZ claims TM was running. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I have a question about a mystery and hoping someone can help me solve it.

1.If a detective wrote a sworn statement saying Zimmerman should be arrested and charged do we think he based that on facts of the case he learned in the investigation?

2. If it was the SA who said nope we are not going to charge, why is the city defending that decision so hard even to the point of releasing partial reports, 911 calls and innocent peoples names and phone numbers and addresses? The SA has nothing to do with the city.

 

[iluvmua]

I don't know about couldn't wait to put a bullet into anyone, and I certainly don't think that and have not read it on this board, but the evidence shows that he certainly was not willing to wait for LE to get there, in other words he couldn't wait to get out of his car and follow the suspcious young man, and the fact that he had a loaded gun with him when he did it is undisputed.

pure speculation, but maybe at that time he could not wait for LE to get there and he had no choice but to do what he did.

We don't know

 

[tehcloser]

I keep typing and deleting, typing and deleting........it's a tragedy anyway you look at it. A kid is dead, and no matter what is said or what is proven, we can't bring him back. And I don't know about you guys, but that pi$$es me off.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://thehill.com/video/house/2186...vidence-death-of-trayvon-martin-a-hate-crime-

&#8220;If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,&#8221; said a source in the Seminole State Attorney&#8217;s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. &#8220;We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn&#8217;t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it&#8217;s appropriate. That&#8217;s the responsible thing to do.&#8217;&#8217;

 

[songline]

I don't know about couldn't wait to put a bullet into anyone, and I certainly don't think that and have not read it on this board, but the evidence shows that he certainly was not willing to wait for LE to get there, in other words he couldn't wait to get out of his car and follow the suspcious young man, and the fact that he had a loaded gun with him when he did it is undisputed.

BBM :what:
No it does not....The evidence in my opinion is still murky till they string all the dots together.
Remember there is about 2 minutes where nobody really knows what happened.
We are all assuming and coming up with none other than hypothetical possibilities.

 

[Sensei]

They always get away is not a racial slur.
Identifying TM as a black male is not a racial slur.

RACE came in with AL Sharpton. Which reminds me I wonder
if AL ever did justice to any case the ones I remember always ended up
to be something much different then what Al wanted to portray.

I don't know if there is a racial slur on the tape or not, and frankly I am not inclined to care a whole lot. Some claim that they hear it, some claim that they do not, and when it is analyzed as much as it can me we may still have no further answers. But RACE is a part of this case whether we want to admit it or not because there is simply no way anyone is going to tell me that if the teen lying on the ground was a clean cut or even a thuggish looking white kid, the investigation would have been carried out in exactly the same manner, nor would he have lain in the morgue for days waiting for them to figure out who he was....IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[gxm]

Then they wouldn't have had to call him at all because he was sitting at the gate waiting for them...he could simply have told the dispatcher that.

Unless he was not in his vehicle when the called LE originally, then it very much appears that he did NOT break off following TM when dispatch told him they did not need him to do that, if he had he would have been back to his vehicle long before the shooting, IMO JMHO and stuff

From what I can tell, there are two entrances, one front and one back. I think GZ was at the front entrance, initially, and that's where the mailboxes are. The transcripts seem to suggest that he thought TM was running toward the back entrance (which would have been where TM was staying so it's logical he was running that way).

That's as best I can tell with the maps we've seen. I thought the mailboxes were located near the front entrance but maybe they're in the back?

My point was that maybe he was returning to his vehicle to continue searching in his car. So, maybe his story is true even if it's not the whole story.

 

[Sensei]

BBM :what:
No it does not....The evidence in my opinion is still murky till they string all the dots together.
Remember there is about 2 minutes where nobody really knows what happened.
We are all assuming and coming up with none other than hypothetical possibilities.

If he never got out of his car and followed Trayvon, which he admits doing on the tape of his call to LE, then how did he manage to shoot Trayvon in the area where he was found, since that too is undisputed.

 

[Inabsentia]

I have a question about a mystery and hoping someone can help me solve it.

1.If a detective wrote a sworn statement saying Zimmerman should be arrested and charged do we think he based that on facts of the case he learned in the investigation?

2. If it was the SA who said nope we are not going to charge, why is the city defending that decision so hard even to the point of releasing partial reports, 911 calls and innocent peoples names and phone numbers and addresses? The SA has nothing to do with the city.

I SPECULATE that the strenuous defense is an attempt to cover up or distract from irregularities or improprieties in how the investigation itself, was conducted.

 

[songline]

http://thehill.com/video/house/2186...vidence-death-of-trayvon-martin-a-hate-crime-

&#8220;If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,&#8221; said a source in the Seminole State Attorney&#8217;s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. &#8220;We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn&#8217;t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it&#8217;s appropriate. That&#8217;s the responsible thing to do.&#8217;&#8217;

A NEW LAW gave them pause, I do not like the new law.
They always need to make sure whoever is telling anything about the death
of someone who cannot tell anything, is a true account of the events.
That means investigation.

ALSO -
I have noticed that in Seminole territory we often get very sketchy LE investigations. JMO

 

[iluvmua]

If he never got out of his car and followed Trayvon, which he admits doing on the tape of his call to LE, then how did he manage to shoot Trayvon in the area where he was found, since that too is undisputed.

did GZ say on the 911 tape he never got out of his car or did he say that he is out of his car and following TM?

 

[Emeralgem]

I understand that some people think Trayvon could have made it home...well, if someone strange was following me, I'm not sure that I would actually go home. Yes, there is "safety" there, but the person following you now knows where you live. Trayvon had no clue what this strange guy was following him for and his parents were not at home. I just don't know what would be going through his head...

Maybe Trayvon was running trying to lose Zimmerman, and once he did, he would have gone home...

Just speculation, my :twocents:

Somewhat O/T..Many years ago there was a man walking down my street as I was driving home . I turned into my driveway and since I'm on the side of the ridge and my drive way goes straight up I always drive up my driveway and park in the back of my home...
To my surprise when I got out of the car the man had made it up my driveway and was standing by my back door..He asked me IF I needed any gutter work done.... I told him he could ask my husband..Luckily, my husband was at home...I have no idea what his intentions were, however to this day do not feel his intentions were good, but I didn't shoot him...JMHO