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Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.
So, more like drops in one exact place and not a place where someone got hit? Wouldn't there be more blood in that exact place? Or those small droplets anywhere else? I'm no Dexter, just curious.
Edit: wanted to reply to the original post with the tiktok video, sorry
 
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Maybe someone killed her earlier in the evening and came back at 2AM to move her body.

Wouldn't the Apple watch have recorded the lack of heart beat?
 
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I think it’s safe to say we are all individuals here, with different views and different habits, which don’t make any of us right or wrong.

I have the phone numbers of many of my parents’ neighbors since I live so far away from them, and they are sick and in their 90s.

But I also had phone numbers for all my daughter’s friends growing up, when it was still just landlines, and I have phone numbers for my eldest granddaughter’s friends, too, of course all cell phones now.

That’s what works for us.

Personally I am not a Banfield fan, but that’s just me. I have no idea if her info is correct or sensationalized.

We all share the identical hope that somehow, someway, Mrs. Guthrie will be rescued alive.

I don’t expect that, unfortunately.

I record the Today show every day and have done so for years, and it was what I watched while getting ready for work in the mornings. I don’t feel that I “know” Savannah, but I cannot conceive of her leaving Arizona while her mother is in jeopardy or worse.

JMO
 
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Not sure what is going on here, but I don't think LE normally announces someone is a suspect unless they are on a manhunt. JMO.
 
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Wouldn't the Apple watch have recorded the lack of heart beat?
One of the posts in here said the pacemaker stopped connecting to the Apple Watch at 2am but I don’t know where that information came from.
 
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Maybe someone incapacitated her earlier in the evening and came back at 2AM to move her.
that's a thought, but the Apple Watch would have stopped earlier
 
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Hi all new here! Here are my thoughts so far:

From a friend of someone who has met and interacted with NG, I've been told that Nancy had mobility issues but she was more than able to move around the house on her own.

I initially rejected the idea of it being someone in her family circle. If you are seeking inheritance or life insurance payout for an elderly relative with ongoing health issues. I'd imagine it's relatively easy to fake a natural death or just wait until she passes. There's not much incentive to stage an abduction and possibly murder them. Especially knowing with the family's name and resources that it would cause a thorough federal investigation.
But who knows- not all criminals are smart.

If the family intended to stage a kidnapping to demand money from SG due to personal grudges or wealth jealousy I would've hoped they would have slipped up by taking her pills from the house (we know the pills were left behind).

In terms of the blood evidence in front of house. I agree they look low viscosity meaning it dripped directly from the source of blood. The one concentrated area before the trail makes me think perhaps the abductor carrying NG, briefly paused to close the front door before heading towards a vehicle.

Something about this case really isnt adding up. I know LE keeps things close to their sleeve not to spook suspects but a little weird that nothing seems to be going right. Remember this isn't a murder investigation (yet) - this is an ABDUCTION well behind the 48-72 hour window. And unfortunately the outcome is looking more and more bleak for Nancy. I hope this is not the case and is returned safely.

JMO

I would agree. No one needs to take pills from the house, though.

I assumed that Nancy was on anticoagulants (I still think it could be the case, given the drops of blood + her pacemaker). In one of the articles, antihypertensive drugs were mentioned, however.

Yesterday (before I read about the car and all) I was thinking that the person clearly knew about the drug Nancy was on and either took some of them from her house or had a similar drug in their home.

Things become more complex with Coumadin, thought I, because then one has to buy a device to check PT. I dealt with this issue in the context of dad who was then taken to a lab, but it is highly possible that such things are sold on Amazon or even in the pharmacies. (I checked; they use Coag-Sense now. Modern anticoagulants like Xarelto do not need checking of PT. But if Nancy was on Coumadin, then recent purchase of PT/inr test online in the area where she lived could be of interest).

But if Nancy was not on anticoagulants, merely on antihypertensive drugs, the whole problem becomes easier. Who doesn’t have some extra medicines in the house? They are not controlled. Many (Atenolol/Metoprolol) are interchangeable, -sartans are not difficult to get either.

Plus, if someone who knows Nancy is involved, there is a valid reason to keep an old relative's meds at home.

I did not think of direct/indirect relatives at all. I wondered who might know of her meds, and how. This is when I thought of a person delivering from the pharmacy. But of course, it could be easier.

I still am not sure that SIL is involved. He has to get into drugs or gambling, or be in dire need of money, and seriously, for it.
 
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Not sure what is going on here, but I don't think LE normally announces someone is a suspect unless they are on a manhunt. JMO.
or they are making an arrest
 
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One of the posts in here said the pacemaker stopped connecting to the Apple Watch at 2am but I don’t know where that information came from.
A smart watch like Apple and Fitbit will stop connecting if there is no heartbeat. I saw a true crime episode on ID channel where a woman was tied to a chair in her home and robbed. The thief left and the woman died later - that's how police knew her time of death. Not the same as not connecting to a phone or pacemaker, though. If a phone is turned off, the smart watch will stop connecting to it. Also, if the watch is too far away from the connecting device (e.g. phone, iPad, pacemaker)
 
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Has LE come out to confirm or deny anything in Banfield's report? I saw some comments on her video from people saying that LE said that the SIL's vehicle was not impounded and that he is not a suspect.
I haven’t seen anything addressing AB’s claims directly.

Those comments aren’t exactly 100% accurate.

The Sheriff’s post said they haven’t identified any suspect or person of interest. <modsnip>

the Sheriff also said they would not confirm the rumor that a car was impounded and they didn’t know the source for that rumor. That is not a flat-out denial.

Personally, I’m annoyed that the Sheriff said “she’s alive”. They won’t confirm whether a car was impounded, but he states a WILD “fact” that is the absolute central point of this mystery. JMO.
 
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They got her out the door, then one stayed with her while another moved the car as close to the door as possible.

It isn't likely the car was parked where it could be seen by the camera. Once the camera was removed, then the car was brought as close as possible in order to get NG inside.

The blood drops accumulated while they waited for the car to be move


Oh my, that seems to be a likely scenario for two. Also for a lone attacker to leave her weakened and helpless to get back in the door by herself to go pull up the car.




all imo
 
  • #2,433
Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.
I wish she would have said the blood splatter appears to be going into the house or leaving the house, I'm not sure if that was confirmed yet or not. IMO
 
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Typically those receive deletes not an entire thread shut down
Yep, but if there is a lot to delete, the mods may close the thread for the duration of the clean-up.
 
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well... many of us are writing out relative's names. That is one problem.
And using some pretty sketchy sources as well.
adult family names are public information, aren't they? Savannah's sister and bil names have been used for the timeline - when the sister (or maybe it was the bil?) dropped Nancy Guthrie off, for example
 
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the getaway car might have been in the driveway close to the house and that's why the blood trail stopped
 
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I'm trying to catch up.

So,
it seems the dinner was at daughter's home?? 🤔

Oh,
I thought it was a celebratory Birthday dinner at the restaurant.

Hmmm.....

JMO
Yes daughter’s home for dinner and then played a game, can’t remember the name of it though, but it’s pretty popular right now.
 
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I will wait to make my opinion when LE makes their arrest. No naming anyone until the arrest.
 
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Hello- a bit late to this forum and so many pages to catch up but has anyone checked this out to see if this could be something? This is on realtor.com (is the source) and shows a permit for electrical work at NG address. I have searched high and low for the work permit but running into road blocks.

https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/efg9lq50 (Very clearly listed on the house info on realtor.com)
 

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They got her out the door, then one stayed with her while another moved the car as close to the door as possible.

It isn't likely the car was parked where it could be seen by the camera. Once the camera was removed, then the car was brought as close as possible in order to get NG inside.

The blood drops accumulated while they waited for the car to be moved.
This makes sense. Also thinking imo that they came in the back door, and when they walked out the front door, they we’re able to remove the camera from behind and without being seen.
 
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