I don't blame you one bit, I take pics constantly, maybe 20 a day, busy neighborhood with lots of weirdos. But when kids are concerned I am sure they were glad you cared.
Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026
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I know some people wear Apple Watches to bed to track their vitals while they sleep — I wonder if NG normally wore hers to bed or if she took it off before sleeping.
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Thanks for the debunk! Will delete.
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It was supposedly found on the charger, so it appears she took it off before bed. On this night at least.
I know a few people who wear their Apple watch to monitor their sleep and get data on that, but I also know others who don't like to sleep with their Apple watch on and don't care about the sleep data, so they charge their phones routinely at night.
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It had to have a cellular plan if the pacemaker and app had been able to communicate with each other.
At least, that’s my understanding,
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I admit it. I'm old and clueless about cryptocurrency. Are you saying that if the ransom were to be paid, the kidnapper wouldn't be able to use the money without being caught? If so, I'm of the mind that the ransom letters aren't real.
There is so much information about this case, from various sources it is hard to keep track of what is fact and what is speculation. These are a few questions I'd like answered that I haven't heard any information about yet:
Was her purse/credit cards ATM cards left at the house?
Was there evidence of burglary (stolen items) at the house?
Were her ATM/credit cards used after the event?
There is an expression : If you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras. So perhaps this case is no different than hundreds of other similar cases with very common motives and actions and people are going down all sorts of paths simply because she is the mother of a famous person.
Here is a theory I have: The person or persons who did this simply saw an easy target (an elderly feeble woman with limited mobility, living in an expensive house, and where there were no neighbors that had a clear view of her house) so they took the opportunity to take what they wanted. And they had no idea she was the mother of a famous person. What they wanted was either: property/money, an SA (it happens even to 84 year olds) or simply for the thrill of it. If the murder did occur in the house, they did not leave the body because bodies can produce a lot of evidence (trace evidence, DNA under the fingernails, projectiles, etc.) so instead they decided to take her and dispose of her somewhere in the wilds of Arizona. I suspect, if she was murdered, that they did not commit it in the house but instead transported her somewhere and then murdered her after they got what they wanted. In many cases like this, the perps want the person to use their ATM card so they force the person to go with them so they can use the card. It could also have been someone she could recognize (a former worker at the house, a previous Uber driver, etc), so the killer had no choice but to murder her even if it was simply a botched burglary.
The ransom notes IMO are either a hoax or, if the killer is very stupid, from the killer to try to get LE to look into the kidnapping/ransom angle.
Was her purse/credit cards ATM cards left at the house?
Was there evidence of burglary (stolen items) at the house?
Were her ATM/credit cards used after the event?
There is an expression : If you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras. So perhaps this case is no different than hundreds of other similar cases with very common motives and actions and people are going down all sorts of paths simply because she is the mother of a famous person.
Here is a theory I have: The person or persons who did this simply saw an easy target (an elderly feeble woman with limited mobility, living in an expensive house, and where there were no neighbors that had a clear view of her house) so they took the opportunity to take what they wanted. And they had no idea she was the mother of a famous person. What they wanted was either: property/money, an SA (it happens even to 84 year olds) or simply for the thrill of it. If the murder did occur in the house, they did not leave the body because bodies can produce a lot of evidence (trace evidence, DNA under the fingernails, projectiles, etc.) so instead they decided to take her and dispose of her somewhere in the wilds of Arizona. I suspect, if she was murdered, that they did not commit it in the house but instead transported her somewhere and then murdered her after they got what they wanted. In many cases like this, the perps want the person to use their ATM card so they force the person to go with them so they can use the card. It could also have been someone she could recognize (a former worker at the house, a previous Uber driver, etc), so the killer had no choice but to murder her even if it was simply a botched burglary.
The ransom notes IMO are either a hoax or, if the killer is very stupid, from the killer to try to get LE to look into the kidnapping/ransom angle.
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Sorry if this was mentioned earlier, but was watching Nancy Graces recent episode:
She pointed out there's two red smudges (blood) on the brick wall to the right of the front door.
Given that the blood outside was confirmed to be Nancy's this makes me believe that NG walked out and put her hand on the wall. Previously, I only noticed the blood on the ground and I was assuming that maybe she was incapacitated and carried out entirely.
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She pointed out there's two red smudges (blood) on the brick wall to the right of the front door.
Given that the blood outside was confirmed to be Nancy's this makes me believe that NG walked out and put her hand on the wall. Previously, I only noticed the blood on the ground and I was assuming that maybe she was incapacitated and carried out entirely.
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Also, do not forget Frank Sinatra Jr. Not sure whether someone else has already brought his case up …
Frank Sinatra Jr was kidnapped 12/08/1963 at gunpoint from a Lake Tahoe hotel room. He was 19 at the time.
The abductors asked for $240,000 which Frank Sinatra Sr. did pay w/help from the FBI (placed between two school buses) in Sepulveda (Los Angeles area).
Frank Sinatra Jr. was released unharmed (12/11/1963) and walked to a Bel Air neighborhood where he alerted a security guard. He was then safely returned to his family. (One of the kidnappers had gotten nervous and had released Frank Jr. whilst the other two kidnappers went to the drop location & collected the ransom money).
The FBI had photographed the bills prior to paying the ransom, and by 12/14/63 it is said almost all of the money was recovered, & all 3 kidnappers had been arrested.
Frank Sinatra, Jr., Kidnapping | Federal Bureau of Investigation
On December 8, 1963, a group of amateur criminals hoping to strike it rich engineered one of the most infamous kidnappings in American history.
www.fbi.gov
I can think of one kidnapping for ransom in which the person was returned alive. It happened here in Vegas in either 1993 or 1994. Casino mogul Steve Wynn's daughter was kidnapped. I just googled the incident, so I'll copy and paste. As you'll see, his daughter was returned quickly.
Yes, Steve Wynn's daughter, Kevyn Wynn, was kidnapped at gunpoint from her Las Vegas home in 1993 by two men who held her for a $1.45 million ransom, which was paid from The Mirage casino's vault, and she was found unharmed but tied up at the airport hours later, leading to the perpetrators' arrests.
Key Details of the Incident:
- Date: July 26, 1993.
- Victim: Kevyn Wynn (then 26), daughter of casino mogul Steve Wynn.
- Abduction: Two masked men confronted her in her garage, tied her up, taped her eyes, and forced her to disrobe for lurid photos to prevent her from contacting authorities.
- Ransom: They demanded $1.45 million in cash from The Mirage casino, which Steve Wynn paid.
- Rescue: She was left bound in her car at McCarran Airport, where her father's security team found her unharmed.
- Perpetrators: Ray Cuddy (ringleader) and Jacob Sherwood were arrested and convicted of kidnapping and extortion. A third accomplice, Anthony Watkins, cooperated with authorities.
- Outcome: The men were convicted, with Cuddy serving significant time before his release in 2015, and Kevyn Wynn was found safe.
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If they arrested someone over the fake ransom note and they’re still acting like there’s a ransom note that is legitimate, does that mean that there was more than one note - one of them fake and one that they think is the real deal? It’s so confusing. One would think that the ransom note business was a fraud and that they’ve moved on from it. Doesn’t sound like they have.
Wow! I'd forgotten about Patty Hearst. That was a wild story with lots of twists and turns.
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Absolutely. He could be.
I was a career federal employee, and it was my experience that my government agency lied to and misled the public regularly so I do not doubt that at all.
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Yes, Initial ransom note that was sent to TMZ and two news stations is separate from a more recent ransom note sent by a moron who was promptly arrested today.
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Maybe the confusion stemmed from the elapsed time from when the family learned NG didn’t attend Sunday service (supposedly from another churchgoer who was concerned of her absence)—which was approximately 11:00 AM—and when “family checks on Nancy” at 11:56 AM. That is around an hour.
Could be? jmo
At link:
“Approximately 11 a.m.: Someone who attends church with Nancy Guthrie called the family to report that the 84-year-old never made it to services, the sheriff said.”
Nancy Guthrie abduction: The full timeline
A more detailed timeline is emerging as the search intensifies for 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie, the mother of "Today" show host Savannah Guthrie.
no, i actually think the ransom note that they're still pursuing is legit and the person that took her did send it. i know i'm kind of an outlier for that lol
but the copied hoax ransom note is a settled issue so i don't think it needs to be posted about here anymore. it's just clogging up the thread, especially when policy is not to start another one (which i actually don't mind).
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