Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Absoluterubbish said:
It looked like they removed a camera. But it got quite blurry when you zoomed in so can’t be sure. They did remove something from the edge of the building though.
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Do we have any ideas as to what this camera IS or WAS???
 
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Cryptic said:
I wonder if the mega brained computers at Tesla could provide that information very quickly?

Maybe privacy considerations can be circumvented by something like: Our Teslas send signals to us all the time regarding battery efficiency, auto driving etc etc. Tesla reserves the right to collect and use that info as we see fit?

In the this case, the routine signals are used to where certain cars were at a certain time?
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Police tapping Teslas to track killers
 
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Demographics of Tesla owners -- obviously there are many individual exceptions in such a large pool -- white, male, GenX, household income over $150,000.

Meet the typical Tesla owner
 
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SlimPickens said:
Argumentum ad auctoritatem.

Acknowledging the difficulty the family is facing is not the same as giving them sound advice. Advising someone not to pay a ransom when statistics suggest that 90% of paid ransoms result in returned victims is foolish at best and derelict at worst.

JMO.
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This came about after aviator Charles Lindbergh's son was kidnapped. They paid a ranson, but they murdered his son anyway.

On March 1, 1932, Lindbergh's first-born infant child, Charles Jr., was kidnapped and murdered in what the American media called the "crime of the century". The case prompted the U.S. to establish kidnapping as a federal crime if a kidnapper crosses state lines with a victim.
en.wikipedia.org

Federal Kidnapping Act - Wikipedia

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The US has fairly low kidnapping rates because of it. In this case, we don't even know that paying ranson would do any good. Generally in the US, if a request for a ransom is made, the federal government gets on it immediately. I believe in Jon Benet Ramsey's case he was attempting to get funds together, but they discovered her body in his home. In most cases, where ransom is paid, the bills are marked and law enforcement surveil the drop location in order to catch the perp.

Ransoms paid in foreign countries tend to have high rate of return of victims, but not in the US. In the US most requests for ransoms are bogus.
 
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Luna20 said:
It wouldn’t matter what the statistics are. Proof of life, is what the money is for. Kidnapper is verified if they show proof of life. How else would you know if it is authentic? It is very simple ‘Proof of life equals money’. Nothing else matters. I’m confused as to what you mean.
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The kidnapping could be authenticated by intimate details that a kidnapper provids to either LE/family/media and those details are confirmed by LE. Those details doesn't necessarily have to include proof of life, although that is certainly desirable. Proof of life after the fact would also almost certainly help LE locate the kidnapper, which would likely be a significant reason for a kidnapper not to give it.

JMO.
 
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All this going back out to the house, getting on a roof then off, then back on, dozens of LE walking around the property with clipboards…it all feels very, you’re a patient at a teaching hospital, the physician has already made their rounds and checked in on you, and now the newbie interns are doing rounds, asking you the same questions and coming up with their theories on what your diagnosis is and what the next steps should be.
 
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Emerald1328 said:
All this going back out to the house, getting on a roof then off, then back on, dozens of LE walking around the property with clipboards…it all feels very, you’re a patient at a teaching hospital, the physician has already made their rounds and checked in on you, and now the newbie interns are doing rounds, asking you the same questions.
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I guess I am confused.....don't investigators return often to crime scenes?
 
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DS2021 said:
I dont think we have any concrete info. Just people's theories
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i guess that is why i am confused... and getting too late.
 
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flp said:
Does anyone have any insight as to why the rewards have been so skimpy? I think the first reward was like 2500, and the FBI reward is now 50K. I would think Savannah would put up much more money. Someone knows what happened and enough money would probably draw them out.
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At the risk of sounding naive, I think they might do that on purpose to try to get credible tips. They started off at $2500. I think they worry if they say a 1 million dollar reward, every nut will come out of the woodwork. I don't know it works as well as they think, because $2500 may not motivate someone who knows something to turn in a relative or something. But my understanding (which I have only seen with stolen dogs which obviously is not the same scale at all) is that lower amounts are sometimes encouraged for that reason.
 
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SlimPickens said:
The kidnapping could be authenticated by intimate details that a kidnapper provids to either LE/family/media and those details are confirmed by LE. Those details doesn't necessarily have to include proof of life, although that is certainly desirable. Proof of life after the fact would also almost certainly help LE locate the kidnapper, which would likely be a significant reason for a kidnapper not to give it.

JMO.
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agreed.
 
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Luna20 said:
Continuing: All we need is proof of life. That is what a ransom is.

“Authentic and statistics” aren’t part of this equation. We are talking about this present case.
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All I'm saying is that if it is statistically more probable that a kidnapper would return my loved one if I paid a ransom - regardless of whether the kidnapper agreed to show me proof of life (I would of course plead for it) - then I would still pay it if I was able. I know my consequences of not paying it.

JMO.
 
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nhmemorymaker said:
Can someone provide a quick synopsis of WHAT they were doing on the roof. and why?
I think i just started to get more confused in the interpretations.

What do we think was the ultimate goal here???
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To me it looked like they may have removed something from the roof. They were also scrutinizing the front sidewalk, looking in the rock beds in the back yard, and looking at some plants too.

I'm guessing that something in the newest letter sent them back to the house as the title of the video says "drone shows investigators conducting 'follow-up' investigation at Nancy Guthrie's home". They cleared the street in front of the house of media so there wouldn't be any lookie-loos, but apparently they forgot that drones exist.

I'm really curious about the structure that is behind the house in the bushes. Possibly a tree house? I would hope that it has been investigated, but maybe they'll eventually come back and check that out too? 🙃
 
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clearskies1 said:
I can't even with this thread tonight. Teslas and roof cameras. Someone explain it to me like I'm 5 years old.
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My presumption (MOO) about the Teslas is that since Teslas have dash cams, any Teslas in the neighborhood, or near the Circle K (for whatever they think they are looking for there) might provide video footage relevant to the case.

Re the roof camera, I don't know, other than there must be something more than LE removing a camera they themselves placed (one theory proposed on the thread) because I can't fathom they would need to shut down the entire street just for that. IMO LE was looking for something referenced or hinted at in the latest communication received.

MOO
 
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osu said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2019955427107287087
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This is the second news outlet saying that a letter was well written/structured. That stands out to me.

Are they playing to the ego of the person who wrote it? Are the letters structured in some sort of particularly striking way?

I just don't think that even a "well-written" ransom note would make me publicly comment on the fact that it was well written. Seems like a given that an adult who planned a kidnapping and led law enforcement on a week long wild goose chase could put together some paragraphs.

Maybe the kidnapper is waxing poetic?

MOO
 
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Emerald1328 said:
All this going back out to the house, getting on a roof then off, then back on, dozens of LE walking around the property with clipboards…it all feels very, you’re a patient at a teaching hospital, the physician has already made their rounds and checked in on you, and now the newbie interns are doing rounds, asking you the same questions and coming up with their theories on what your diagnosis is and what the next steps should be.
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very messy and unorganized
 
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GMG1999 said:
I guess I am confused.....don't investigators return often to crime scenes?
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Yes but…IMO, not like this. It’s like they’re being very thorough, but sloppy at the same time - releasing the scene, just to come back, twice. And searching the property three times in less than a week - are they not being thorough? I don’t know, just is something I really haven’t seen play out this way before.
 
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nhmemorymaker said:
Do we have any ideas as to what this camera IS or WAS???
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Some thought it was perp watching the house before/after the crime. But most think the LE placed cameras to watch the crime scene. And, some think this is a camera belonging to NG, that may or may not be on a different system.
 
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SlimPickens said:
All I'm saying is that if it is statistically more probable that a kidnapper would return my loved one if I paid a ransom - regardless of whether the kidnapper agreed to show me proof of life (I would of course plead for it) - then I would still pay it if I was able.

JMO.
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Yes, but you would have to be sure the actual kidnapper is being paid. It seems like from the brother’s statement, the kidnappers have not directly communicated with the family.
 
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