Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Arkay · Feb 8, 2026

Wsimm said:
.If AG had any involvement and out of guilt has come clean about the person or persons also involved, this may explain the video plea earlier today as well as her noted reactions? Maybe that also explains “ the we understand” part of the plea?

Speculation here too, but I just cannot conceive that if Savannah and Camron knew for a FACT, that AG and /or her husband were responsible for this, that they would all sit together making a public response video to somebody “out there.”

Why would they not instead be dealing with AG/TC in private and with the FBI and sheriff’s office?

Why go through with what at that point would be a useless gimmick?

If the sister had confessed as speculated, then to whom is Savannah talking? And to what end? It would be a waste of time, when the operative agenda would be to find Nancy, whether alive or deceased.

I don’t know who did this heinous crime, but I don’t believe Savannah and Camron would waste time like this if they had already heard a confession from someone near and dear.

IMO

LAhiker · Feb 8, 2026

InspectGadget said:
I mean, I can’t say that sil is not involved-your guess is as good as mine as they say
But blood spatter, pacemakers, phones, cars, watches, security cameras anywhere along the route. That it was known and logged that she was at their house that night (why not simply do it on a random night so there wouldn’t be an uber record directly to them).
I mean even in a movie I would be skeptical that an individual like sil could manage all this.
So IF he was involved (I am not convinced yet) it had to be at her house at the very least I would think.
Though I admit the back and forth to these houses and actually taking pictures now-I honestly am more clueless lol.

I don't want to think that the SIL (and maybe the bandmate and even AG) were involved. But let's imagine for a moment that some of them were. I don't think that would mean that NG never made it home.

She could've been dropped off, gone to bed, and then the SIL (or some associate) could have come to the house, abducted her (possibly drugging her in the process), and taken her out of the house. From there, he could've gone back to his own house and garage and killed her. Or he could've gone directly to a storage unit or other location and held her alive. Or he could've taken her to a remote location and killed her.

All of this is speculative. He is innocent until proven guilty.

JMO

tbgo · Feb 8, 2026

diggndeeperstill said:
Do any blood spatter experts know if you’d be able to stage the blood? How? Syringe?

This scenario sounds very far-fetched. It’s an odd case, yes, but this would require the perps to jump through hoops in a very short period of time. It would be easier to just have her go missing than to stage something bloody. A bloody scene would send law enforcement into a tizzy. A disappearance would invite detectives but not insane media coverage.

kccorona · Feb 8, 2026

missy1974 said:
I would expect to see more there.

Yes, I agree- it seems relatively small scale for this stage. And leads to my next question about this current LE activity - why wait an entire 24 hours from the last time investigators were at the house? I’m sure there are a million reasonable answers. But seems strange they’ve returned again to this house (which, as far as I know, has NOT been a secured crime scene at any point, meaning any appropriate party - owner, family, etc - could enter/exit, clean, remove items, etc) but not until 24 hours after they were there last night for “5 minutes”.

Herat · Feb 8, 2026

Luna20 · Feb 8, 2026

emigrate said:
Lifetime

Do you think they were all asked to go to hotels and not be there because they had a feeling SIL was the perp but didn't want public to catch on? Like make it look like the family left due to privacy but really they were told they believe the house was a 2nd crime scene.

I do. Something is off with the ransom and the SG video from today. It all feels very decoy to me.

InspectGadget · Feb 8, 2026

tricia said:
Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.

Oops-meant to say this is the blood spatter post by Tricia

tbgo · Feb 8, 2026

Arkay said:
Speculation here too, but I just cannot conceive that if Savannah and Camron knew for a fact that AG and /or her husband were responsible for this, that they would all sit together making a public response video to somebody “out there.”

Why would they not instead be dealing with AG/TC in private and with the FBI and sheriff’s office?

Why go through with what at that point would be a useless gimmick?

IMO

We know very little about the family dynamics.

Tien21 · Feb 8, 2026

The tone and wording of Savannah Guthrie's plea today makes me think she's responding to a letter stating Nancy is no longer with us. I hope I'm wrong. It was notable she didn't choose to speak directly to her mother this time or mention her need for medication :/

browneyes · Feb 8, 2026

kccorona said:
Yes and my question about this current LE activity - why wait an entire 24 hours from the last time investigators were at the house? I’m sure there are a million reasonable answers. But seems strange they’ve returned again to this house (which, as far as I know, has NOT been a secured crime scene at any point, meaning any appropriate party - owner, family, etc - could enter/exit, clean, remove items, etc) but not until 24 hours after they were there last night for “5 minutes”.

Warrant

SUNchips · Feb 8, 2026

StarryStarryNight said:
What if:

- there was a request for a loan by a host a small family gathering, and it was declined
-someone became enraged and another person was injured and died, and the hosts of the gathering try to think what to do
-one of the hosts takes the deceased’s Apple Watch and collects some blood and walks over to the deceased’s house and enters through the garage just before 10pm, backing victims car out of the garage
-that host stages the crime scene, watch and blood.
-that host drives back to his house in victim’s car and puts victim in that car then drives around to find a place to hide the body
-then that host drives back to his house
-the next morning when the hosts go to victims house they take their car and victims car. Enter home by the garage, parking the victims car back in garage before LE comes.

*LE tows victim’s car days later after a license plate reader indicated the car was being driven around that night.

And after that bedtime story/fairy tale, it’s off to dreamland for me! Goodnight, friends!

I think this theory is looking more and more like reality. Only small thing I’d change is that they drove their own car to NG’s house at 9 something pm, as walking between the two would take 1.5 hours.

I sincerely hope we’re wrong!

emigrate · Feb 8, 2026

dogmom805 said:
Where do you think SIL is being held?

Could they be holding him and got the search warrant for tonight? There has to be some reason he is missing and not sitting holding his wifes hand. What would they have been able to pin on him? Him being so close to Mexico border that would be a major flight risk so I think it was a must to find something they can hold him on and then get all their ducks in a row quickly because they can only hold him so long without major evidence right? I think they are getting that the last 2 days. I think he is cooked.

jeff2034 · Feb 8, 2026

As we endlessly speculate about what the latest tidbit of information may mean, or tediously parse each word of a statement (myself included), perhaps we should pause and take a moment to reflect on the bigger picture: That a sweet, kind woman has likely lost her life and her family is being tortured and being made to grieve and suffer (all in the very public spotlight).
And that "there before the grace of God go anyone of us".

Fargo · Feb 8, 2026

JaimeInLA said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2020365491257352661

I would be very, very interested to see the probable cause statement that secured this search warrant. There has to be a decent amount of information leading the FBI to convince a judge there is likely evidence there.

K.jill · Feb 8, 2026

kccorona said:
Yes and my question about this current LE activity - why wait an entire 24 hours from the last time investigators were at the house? I’m sure there are a million reasonable answers. But seems strange they’ve returned again to this house (which, as far as I know, has NOT been a secured crime scene at any point, meaning any appropriate party - owner, family, etc - could enter/exit, clean, remove items, etc) but not until 24 hours after they were there last night for “5 minutes”.

Maybe they did not have probable cause for the warrant yesterday but they do today.

submarine7 · Feb 8, 2026

Strangeworld said:
Sorry, I haven't been able to read every post, is it correct that a pacemaker can continue to send a signal even if someone has passed away? My google search says yes it can, but just checking as I know there are some on here who had alot of knowledge in this area

AFTF said:
Something I keep coming back to is how unusual it is that whoever is behind this has not been traced yet, especially given the amount of digital activity reportedly involved.

What makes it interesting is that the same privacy tools often discussed in cases like this are not exclusive to criminals. Journalists operating in dangerous environments regularly use encrypted communication, anonymity networks, and secure operating systems to protect themselves and their sources in life-or-death situations. Those tools are designed to reduce traceability and protect identity, not just for wrongdoing, but for legitimate safety and confidentiality.

However, even with strong privacy tools, perfect anonymity does not really exist. In most real investigations, people are eventually identified not because the technology “fails,” but because small correlations appear over time. Behavioral patterns, timing, metadata, or a single verified link between identity and activity can collapse the anonymity layer.

So the real question is not just what tools are being used, but whether investigators have found the one small connection that ties a real person to the critical timeline. In many cases, once that happens, everything else starts to align.

Just an observation for discussion.

You're right. The military and other government entities also use them. Some were developed for that purpose. The problem is that it can take a very long time to either unmask or follow a Bitcoin wallet for patterns etc.

cathathorse · Feb 8, 2026

Fargo said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about pacemaker monitoring. The pacemaker is not transmitting to the receiver 24/7. Once a day, typically between midnight and 3 am, the app will interrogate the pacemaker for a transmission. It seems that when the interrogation was sent at 2:28 am the app received a "disconnected" reply because the pacemaker was not in range when interrogated and pacemaker data could not be retrieved.

but didn't they say at the press conference that there was a spike in heart rate at 2am?

ETA Apple Watch would record heart rate spike on its own and someone else could have been wearing the watch? Perhaps the person breaking in to NG house to do the staging.

justwannahelp · Feb 8, 2026

SlimPickens said:
All I'm saying is that if it is statistically more probable that a kidnapper would return my loved one if I paid a ransom - regardless of whether the kidnapper agreed to show me proof of life (I would of course plead for it) - then I would still pay it if I was able. I know my consequences of not paying it.

JMO.

Yeh. If i had the money. I’d hand over the money. They have the money

whitelilac · Feb 8, 2026

I wonder whether the house will be taped before they leave.

Kemug · Feb 8, 2026

I am now more than 100 pages behind in spite of attempting to catch up for the last 2 hours! So I've just decided to let it be. Just wanted to talk about Nancy's car and the dents on it. The question is: were they dents from Nancy's driving or from something else? And I seem to recall that it is quite a new car, a 25/26 Subaru Forester. So you wouldn't think Nancy had done it all. But it could have happened if someone else was driving it offroad, transporting Nancy.

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