• #11,441
I agree with you but I'm slightly perturbed that you made this post in response to someone pointing out that all older people are different and that some older people are mobile and independent, when the majority of comments using their own experience as proxies are coming from the "anyone who leaves an older person alone is dodgy" crowd, who are not only infantalising a woman on no grounds at all, but badmouthing the non-suspect relatives of a missing and potentially murdered woman who are no doubt going through hell.



There's absolutely nothing weird or odd about only taking three minutes to say goodbye and walk someone into their house at night, rather than coming inside with them and spending time "getting them settled" whatever that means. People only think it's weird because they're looking at it in the context of an elderly kidnapped woman. In real life it's a completely normal thing no one would even blink twice at. Most people are tired after hours of socialising outside of their own home and just want to be alone in their own space, older people get more easily tired. I don't know a single elderly person who would want someone coming inside their house to spend ages fussing over them at the end of a long, tiring day, rather than simply doing a completely normal standard goodbye.

Bottom line, they know their mother, and we do not. They know if she's the kind of person who wants people to come inside her house and spend time getting her settled when they drop her off at night, or the kind of person who is happy to do a normal regular goodbye.
I also imagine it was a regular thing to have her over for dinner since they lived so close to one another. I’m sure they had developed a routine of them pulling up and her going in through the door because it was a common occurrence. I truly don’t see anything odd about this.
 
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Okay I am about 60 pages behind now. Is there anything major I need to know to get caught up without reading everything at once? Or like a new timeline of information? Thanks!
Feb 8, 2026
From CNN's Danya Gainor
''As the search for the 84-year-old mother of “Today” host Savannah Guthrie is in its seventh day, here are the events that unfolded over the week:
Saturday, January 31
  • Guthrie takes an Uber to her daughter Annie’s home at around 5:32 p.m.
  • Family members take her back home, with Guthrie’s garage door opening at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closing at 9:50 p.m.
Sunday, February 1
  • At 1:47a.m., a few hours after Guthrie is believed to have returned home, her doorbell camera is disconnected.
  • At 2:12a.m., surveillance camera software detects movement.
  • Guthrie’s pacemaker app data shows it disconnected from her phone at 2:28a.m.
  • Relatives check on Guthrie at 11:56 a.m. after finding out she was uncharacteristically absent from church. They discover that she wasn’t home.
  • Relatives call 911 at 12:03 p.m. to report her missing.
  • Pima County Sheriff’s Office patrols arrive at her home by 12:15 p.m.
Tuesday, February 3
  • Several media outlets, including TMZ and CNN affiliate KOLD-TV, receive purported ransom letters demanding millions of dollars in bitcoin for Guthrie’s return. One note includes a first deadline of 5:00p.m. Thursday and a second deadline for next Monday.
Wednesday, February 4
  • The Guthrie siblings post a video on Instagram with Savannah Guthrie saying they “need to know without a doubt that she’s alive and that you have her.” She emphasizes that her mother is in “constant pain” and needs her medication to survive.
Thursday, February 5
  • The first deadline mentioned in the purported ransom note passes at 5:00p.m.
  • Savannah Guthrie’s brother Camron issues another plea on social media at 5:00 p.m. local time, the first deadline given in the ransom note. “We need you to reach out and we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward,” he says in the video.
Friday, February 6
Saturday, February 7
  • Guthrie’s children plead for their mother’s return in a video posted on social media. In the clip, Savannah Guthrie says: “We will pay.”
 
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LE retuning to AG’s home last night is not routine - “nothing to see here”. It tells me a there was a warrant supported by new evidence and maybe broader search authority was granted. Judges usually set limits on what LE can search. IMO

Unless of course this is all owner consent to search… again. IMO

ETA: perhaps attorneys part of the discussion can set me straight on this.
 
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I think also it is a known police tactic to see whether close family members cooperate with public appeals (e.g. press conferences) and monitor their behaviour.
 
  • #11,446
LE retuning to AG’s home last night is not routine - “nothing to see here”. It tells me a there was a warrant supported by new evidence and maybe broader search authority was granted. Judges usually set limits on what LE can search. IMO

Unless of course this is all owner consent to search… again. IMO

ETA: perhaps attorneys part of the discussion can set me straight on this.
I don't think it's routine either.

fwiw.

jmo
 
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I think also it is a known police tactic to see whether close family members cooperate with public appeals (e.g. press conferences) and monitor their behaviour.
Thats what I've been thinking, getting AG to commit to a narrative before they return with evidence disproving it
 
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No restaurant , I answered Goosy pie above. Nancy was taken by uber to Annie's and Tommaso's house for dinner and game play, as far as we know.
Thank you, I was wrong.
 
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Thats what I've been thinking, getting AG to commit to a narrative before they return with evidence disproving it
Ohh yes absolutely, I had not even considered that. I am not sure how entrapment laws work in that state, however. In my country, entrapment is not really possible and I think some course of actions by LE (if there is a strategy to catch AG out) could feasibly be considered entrapment in layman's terms.
 
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going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
😍 if you suspect someone close to NG
😡 if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
🙁 if you suspect a stranger
😮 if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

edit: to clarify, the question here is who is responsible for nancy’s disappearance
I suspect a stranger lying in wait at her home or hiding in casita and coming into her house after she came home and settled into bed. Did she go to her daughter's for dinner weekly? Someone may have observed her habits-- or passed on info to an outsider who planned ahead.
Is there a safe in the home?
 
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Son in law
Was tying to quote someone who was wondering if SIL meant sister in law. I put son in law but quoted something else. Oops.
 
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🙏Praying for you Nancy, wherever you are and hoping that the full force of the law is brought down on whoever had a part in this. Whoever he/she/they might be.
Makes me so angry. She is/was fragile. Bless her heart.
 
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I have a feeling that SG knows that AG is involved with this and is going along with this ransom charade. SG seems very angry and distant towards AG, meanwhile AG is looking terrified and hyperventilating.
 
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LE retuning to AG’s home last night is not routine - “nothing to see here”. It tells me a there was a warrant supported by new evidence and maybe broader search authority was granted. Judges usually set limits on what LE can search. IMO

Unless of course this is all owner consent to search… again. IMO

ETA: perhaps attorneys part of the discussion can set me straight on this.
I am not a lawyer, but I know that law enforcement will usually seek a warrant if time permits even when they have permission to search. This helps to legally validate any evidence obtained.
 
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I have a feeling that SG knows that AG is involved with this and is going along with this ransom charade. SG seems very angry and distant towards AG, meanwhile AG is looking terrified and hyperventilating.
What a heavy, heavy burden. Unimaginable.
 
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i'm thinking arrest in the nex 24-48
 
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Harvey Levin did an interview with Mark Geragos an A Lister defense attorney. He knows how these guys think. He said family just needs to pay the ransom and hope for the best...without proof of life. I tend to agree. Otherwise nothing may happen at all...NG is killed and the kidnappers may never be found. She might be dead but I don't think they have much choice.

Ohh yes absolutely, I had not even considered that. I am not sure how entrapment laws work in that state, however. In my country, entrapment is not really possible and I think some course of actions by LE (if there is a strategy to catch AG out) could feasibly be considered entrapment in layman's terms.
LE can outright lie about a narrative, and it's not entrapment. Entrapment would be to lure someone to commit a crime.
 
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What a heavy, heavy burden. Unimaginable.
Yes quite. I can't even imagine the logistics behind this. LE may have told SG privately what is really going on and asked her to cooperate with a public appeal? Putting SG in a very distressing situation to sit there with AG? Or perhaps they have only told her the SIL is a suspect and that SG cannot discuss it with AG? I studied the Instagram videos closely and I cannot see any resistance from SG; she is holding AG's hands in both videos, although there is less active holding on in the latest video.
 
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Or maybe someone gave him a ticket as a present.
Look, he can do anything he wants but I agree it’s a bad look. Based only on observing the sheriff through this case he seems to me to be someone who a) likes attention and b) doesn’t always use the best judgement.
 
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LE can outright lie about a narrative, and it's not entrapment. Entrapment would be to lure someone to commit a crime.
Thanks for clarifying. My understanding of entrapment may be different as I am not based in the US. Here, it is quite a wide concept and could involve leading someone down a path to incriminate themselves.

Another observation I have that might point towards the ransom being a strategy. Would we have seen the letter leak online by now? I mean the letter has been sent to places like TMZ which are hardly known for discretion. The transmission to media organizations takes a degree of control away from LE re: leaks.
 
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