• #11,461
Now that you mention it, the billboards don't seam to fit. This case doesn't need more awareness and she isn't a typical missing person. I think I remember reading that they were placed strategically? For what reason?

Was trying to catch up this morning.. I had to skip ahead lol I know this was hourssss ago that you posted, but the strategically placing of FBI signs.... could it be lthe radius that Harvey Levin thinks they would have to be?

Along those major routes, in case someone saw her in a vehicle, or saw something suspicious?


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  • #11,462
In this NewsNation interview with Levin (of TMZ) speaking with Chris Cuomo, Levin says the ransom note provided the location of NG’s Apple Watch and “it was not in a place you would necessarily immediately think.” He says that that seemed to pique the interest of the FBI.

Levin says that the note also mentioned that the floodlights over the rear of the property were destroyed – not just damaged but destroyed. That matches what we’ve seen in videos. (On the other hand: news reporters have said that before a security guard was placed in front of the home, people were walking into the area. And if there was early drone footage, that may have covered the back yard.)

Whether the watch was really in the exact location given in the note hasn’t been made public, as far as I know. And it’s possible, I think, that the information may have leaked.

If NG is alive or was alive after the abduction, it would have been possible for the people holding her to provide information that only she and family would have known. We haven’t had any evidence of that, as far as I can tell.


This is going to sound terrible but for me to believe the ransom writer bad guys really had my mom- they would have to tell me something that LE didn’t document in my mom’s house. Leaks happen so where the watch was in the house, flood lights, etc would not convince me. I would want to hear something from my mom that only we know, not even something my siblings know too. Between me and my mom.

This family is in an agonizing position. I still don’t believe the ransom is legit and believe it’s a separate crime not directly connected to NG. IMO
 
  • #11,463
I think also it is a known police tactic to see whether close family members cooperate with public appeals (e.g. press conferences) and monitor their behaviour.
This is what I have thought all this week. That they told SG to act like she suspects nothing from them and to see everything that they say and do.

The Former TV journalist who, as she said, has contacts & experience for almost 40 years, was there ever any doubt that her source was not going to turn out to be correct? At minimum, the suspect is always the last person or people to be with the victim. Then you add to the mix the fact that someone only very close, like family, would know that the cameras do not back up to a cloud. Even if she had a caretaker or people who regularly helped at the house such as a chef or someone like that, those people would not know that. Then, as former LE said, no stranger, random criminal, is going into a home that they do not know at 1 something in the morning, and then staying there for 41 minutes. Only someone who is well familiar with that house would do that.

I cannot even imagine the horror of losing your beloved mom, which is bad enough, but in a violent, horrific manner. What a nightmare. I always thought the ransom notes are either someone who is the murderer diverting attention, or, horrible people online, not truly related to the murder.

Also, if it is the BIL, isn't he from Italy? Is it possible to have a friend or relative from Italy be sending ransom notes thinking that they would evade digital footprints?
 
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On one hand I have a hard time not thinking AG and SIL are involved however on the other hand I feel like if they had a video of a POI (which I thought I remember them saying they had) and it was one of them I definitely feel like an arrest would have been made by now.

But yeah I don’t really have an explanation for taking pictures in AG’s garage if something didn’t happen on that property/garage
 
  • #11,465
I'm thinking that a real kidnapper should know something about the scene which is very specific to the scene.

The fact that they mentioned broken floodlights which everyone could see were broken makes me think it's possibly an opportunist or someone who is just trying to confuse things as much as possible, a troll.

I know they also mentioned the watch. But my opinion stays that if they knew something very specific, they didn't even need to bring the floodlights up. There were so many other elements from the crime scene that they could have mentioned instead if they were real.
FWIW, Harvey Levin said that at the time TMZ received the first ransom, the broken floodlights were not public knowledge.
 
  • #11,466
I have a feeling that SG knows that AG is involved with this and is going along with this ransom charade. SG seems very angry and distant towards AG, meanwhile AG is looking terrified and hyperventilating.
I think of Kelsey Bereth's mother appealing to the public for help in her disappearance, how strong and courageous she was before the camera, and later finding out she knew all along Kelsey was no longer alive, but she played along so the truth could come out. Total respect for her and anyone who can do that.

Truly hoping for a better outcome here, for everyone.
 
  • #11,467
Thanks for clarifying. My understanding of entrapment may be different as I am not based in the US. Here, it is quite a wide concept and could involve leading someone down a path to incriminate themselves.

Another observation I have that might point towards the ransom being a strategy. Would we have seen the letter leak online by now? I mean the letter has been sent to places like TMZ which are hardly known for discretion. The transmission to media organizations takes a degree of control away from LE re: leaks.
It's not entrapment if they lie and are, in fact, involved with the crime.

Entrapment would be LE luring them into committing the crime in the first place.

IANAL

jmo
 
  • #11,468
I have a feeling that SG knows that AG is involved with this and is going along with this ransom charade. SG seems very angry and distant towards AG, meanwhile AG is looking terrified and hyperventilating.
I have a hard time believing that SG would have been able to function even at the level she was in the video if she suspected her sister right next to her was involved
 
  • #11,469
Yes quite. I can't even imagine the logistics behind this. LE may have told SG privately what is really going on and asked her to cooperate with a public appeal? Putting SG in a very distressing situation to sit there with AG? Or perhaps they have only told her the SIL is a suspect and that SG cannot discuss it with AG? I studied the Instagram videos closely and I cannot see any resistance from SG; she is holding AG's hands in both videos, although there is less active holding on in the latest video.
LE might have told SG they have suspicions about SIL/AG, but maybe SG doesn't want to believe it.
 
  • #11,470
I’m thinking someone close may have been stealing from Nancy….perhaps she discovered it. Still not sure about the ransom letters. Leaning towards it’s a ruse and someone not tied to her disappearance that is trying to capitalize off of this.
 
  • #11,471
LE retuning to AG’s home last night is not routine - “nothing to see here”. It tells me a there was a warrant supported by new evidence and maybe broader search authority was granted. Judges usually set limits on what LE can search. IMO

Unless of course this is all owner consent to search… again. IMO

ETA: perhaps attorneys part of the discussion can set me straight on this.
I do agree with your thoughts. If not searching for a crime, what else could they be looking for? What other reason to go back? I got nothing….Much confusion abounds
 
  • #11,472
But at the same time, even if it was the SIL and AG and they went along with the "kidnapping" story after the sheriff announced it, how have they been getting away with sending ransom notes from the dark web while (most likely) having no free time whatsoever right now to do so? They will likely be in non-stop meetings and interviews with LE and FBI profilers, and likely know they are being surveilled closely? If LE / FBI are letting a hoax ransom letter run wild while knowing it is SIL and AB, that seems highly unethical and a form of torture for SG and her brother.
Wild speculation…

Unless—SG & brother are aware somehow—maybe not of specifics, but of the need to go through with the follow up to “smoke out” any and all leads.

An out-there thought. And I agree with you, too.
 
  • #11,473
I’m thinking someone close may have been stealing from Nancy….perhaps she discovered it. Still not sure about the ransom letters. Leaning towards it’s a ruse and someone not tied to her disappearance that is trying to capitalize off of this.
That is a possibility worth considering.
 
  • #11,474
So it seems like we don't know anything more than when AB spilled the beans and the Sheriff revealed the timeline - along with insinuations that may or may not even be accurate.
 
  • #11,475
Yes quite. I can't even imagine the logistics behind this. LE may have told SG privately what is really going on and asked her to cooperate with a public appeal? Putting SG in a very distressing situation to sit there with AG? Or perhaps they have only told her the SIL is a suspect and that SG cannot discuss it with AG? I studied the Instagram videos closely and I cannot see any resistance from SG; she is holding AG's hands in both videos, although there is less active holding on in the latest video.
Why do you think the sister or BIL is involved?
 
  • #11,476
I just wanted to add another angle since I am still on the fence about the SIL.

It is possible LE / FBI are running with the ransom / kidnapping and Instagram videos to apply pressure to someone close to NG.
I have a similar question. Why is the family making public videos if they are going to pay the ransom? Why not keep it a private transaction?
 
  • #11,477
LE retuning to AG’s home last night is not routine - “nothing to see here”. It tells me a there was a warrant supported by new evidence and maybe broader search authority was granted. Judges usually set limits on what LE can search. IMO

Unless of course this is all owner consent to search… again. IMO

ETA: perhaps attorneys part of the discussion can set me straight on this.
As a general rule, they would have had a warrant. Even if they had "permission" from the homeowner, it could become contentious and may present a problem later - at trial, if disputed, for example. And, yes, warrants are very specific.

Also, the timing and the length of time they spent at the house would suggest they had a warrant. They were there for at least three hours and it was late in the evening when they finished.
 
  • #11,478
I have a similar question. Why is the family making public videos if they are going to pay the ransom? Why not keep it a private transaction?
I don't think they have a way to communicate other than publicly. The ransom-note writer has provided an account to deposit the bitcoin, but not a way to actually communicate, imo.

jmo
 
  • #11,479
Thanks for clarifying. My understanding of entrapment may be different as I am not based in the US. Here, it is quite a wide concept and could involve leading someone down a path to incriminate themselves.

Another observation I have that might point towards the ransom being a strategy. Would we have seen the letter leak online by now? I mean the letter has been sent to places like TMZ which are hardly known for discretion. The transmission to media organizations takes a degree of control away from LE re: leaks.
Have you ever watched "To catch a predator"
 
  • #11,480
So it seems like we don't know anything more than when AB spilled the beans and the Sheriff revealed the timeline - along with insinuations that may or may not even be accurate.
We know LE went into AG's property last night for about 3 hours and one officer came out wearing blue gloves. That's something. Per Brian Entin.
 
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