Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

LAborn said:

Maybe she took the cane with her when she was taken?

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Inthedetails said:

I agree. We can't tell from the timeline provided that NG ever made it back home.

But, I can't piece together the blood on the front stoop with the Uber ride.

jmopinion

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PipeyRella said:

I put the transcript of the latest SG video in to ChatGPT to get an analysis of it from the viewpoint of an investigator and here is what it said, very interesting:

"Every line feels carefully chosen.

The opening — “We received your message, and we understand” — stands out immediately. Saying “we understand” goes beyond acknowledging contact. It suggests they’re not judging, not challenging, not escalating. It’s a de-escalation move. In hostage or ransom situations, that kind of language is often used to keep the other person calm and engaged, not defensive.

The next part — “We beg you now to return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her” — is interesting for what it avoids. They don’t use words like “victim,” “crime,” or “wrong.” They don’t say “alive” or “safe,” which could backfire if the situation is worse than hoped. Instead, they frame it around family and a positive future moment. It subtly assumes she’s alive without forcing the issue.

“This is the only way we will have peace” is also notable. It doesn’t threaten consequences or mention law enforcement. It frames compliance as emotional closure rather than risk, which may lower the perpetrator’s fear of what happens next.

Finally, “This is very valuable to us and we will pay.” That sentence is doing a lot of work. It clearly signals compliance without turning their mother into a price tag or negotiating publicly. No timelines, no demands — just reassurance.

What really stands out overall is what isn’t there: no anger, no moralizing, no pressure, no ultimatums. That restraint feels intentional. The message reads less like a raw emotional plea and more like something designed to stabilize a volatile situation and keep the person on the other end from panicking or escalating.

Whether or not law enforcement helped shape it, this doesn’t feel spontaneous. It feels strategic — focused on keeping communication open and the situation from getting worse."

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Derdew said:

But nothing indicates it was recent blood. Could have been old and there were no footprints in it either

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pharmad said:

I just noticed something... The front door where the blood is, I was browsing street view through different dates, and the 'plant' scattered around the door previous years had that exact plant in the pot that is now empty.

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This makes me wonder if they pulled up the plant? Key? Evidence? Blood? the image I grabbed was from Nov 2025. May be nothing.. just saw this., tried my best to enhance it... best I could do. But she had that same plant in similar pots in the front.

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Inthedetails said:

I agree. We can't tell from the timeline provided that NG ever made it back home.

But, I can't piece together the blood on the front stoop with the Uber ride.

jmopinion

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Moonstrawbs said:

I may have missed something but it just seems out of place to me if it was old. The house seems to be kept to a high standard and from what has been said there were workers often there. Wouldn't it have been noticed earlier if it was old? But again I may have missed something here. Jmo

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NoeticSoul said:

Buy WHY has it never been spoken about either way I wonder? It really bugs me that it hasn't. I dunno why.

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academyrd said:

At this point is anyone not convinced it’s the BIL? The only lingering question to me is how much Annie actually knew or was involved.

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Starkville said:

Regarding the door key: there are key boxes that can be opened with a code, now. We used to leave a key in a fake rock in the shrubbery near the door. Now we have a key box.



I don’t think it’s routine, either.

Since we are bound by the rule to stick to MSM sources, I will just say: there are former MSM journalists who are freelance and are doing the legwork and research that the MSM won’t do. They are requesting documents normally available to the press and piblic but finding them sealed.

There are many aspects to this case that are… unusual.

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K9Enzo said:

I’ll be blunt this morning. In my opinion, NG demise originated from AG’s home. The what and the how, I don’t know. Investigators returning to her home again last night documenting, mapping, and collecting evidence was the final event that moved me in that direction. IMO

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Inthedetails said:

There is no way they entered AG's house last night without a warrant, imo.

jmo

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nodamselindistress said:

You don't believe the pacemaker communicating with the iphone/watch is evidence she made it back home?

I suppose that situation could be manipulated but find that unlikely as it would most likely involve extra steps in the process.

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academyrd said:

At this point is anyone not convinced it’s the BIL? The only lingering question to me is how much Annie actually knew or was involved.

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TheDinks said:

As Brian says... it's strange for 3 deputies to be at TC & AG's house, 7 days along, late at night for approx 3 hours taking photos in various locations throughout the house and garage.

...this has to be leading in a certain direction, surely ??

Oh and Brian - get some SLEEP

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CrimeDawg123 said:

And if he's the ransomer, how's he gonna explain his cash infusion?

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Inthedetails said:

I'm 100% confident blood experts can tell if the blood was fresh, old, or somewhere in between.

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CrimeDawg123 said:

I'm not convinced. I can't figure a motive where he'd remove the body. Why not just wait for her to pass if you're looking for $. It'd take years for her to be declared dead. And if he's the ransomer, how's he gonna explain his cash infusion?

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LAborn said:

I'm definitely not convinced. I don't think they had anything to do with it. It's too far fetched imo.

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girlhasnoname said:

ITA, I find it unusual the FBI would go in 'camera's ablazing' knowing that the media was camped out in front of the home. I believe it is possible to have been a staged event to throw off someone(s). I remember seeing this happen in one other case - The Kelsey Berreth/Patrick Frazee case and they were much, much more discreet.

If this was an actual CS investigation at AC's home, does anyone know if they all returned to AC's there after dinner? If they did and hung out a bit, maybe something did happen there (an unplanned argument or disagreement) and Nancy was driven home. Garage door opens close to 11 pm.

<Crazyland Scenario Speculation>

Nancy wouldn't have to have been alive at the time she was dropped off, she could have just been placed in the home and then someone(s) returned and staged the scene and dreamed up this crazy kidnapping for ransom scenario. Garage door wouldn't show opening again if someone had keys and entered and exited the front door.

I find it hard to believe it was any family member.. This case makes my head hurt.

Still holding out hope that Nancy is found alive and reunited with her loved ones.

JMO

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