• #16,901
Ugh. I hope it's revealing.

Also, purportedly a mask and tools. Since she was removed, it lends more credence to the idea that a kidnapping was the motive rather than a random assault/murder/home invasion. This would also suggest why those ransom requests were taken seriously and perhaps even directly aligned/verified.

JMO.
 
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Does anyone think this picture will also have a timestamp? If the person in the picture turns out to be the suspect, it’ll be interesting to learn what time of day or night their arrival was.
I think it will be discussed to help anyone in the area to call in with tips etc
 
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JMO but I doubt LE would release a photo of the suspect to the public before making an arrest if they had already identified him. This rules the SIL out for me at this point.

ETA: It also rules out anyone within NG's close circle IMO. I'm now leaning towards the perpetrator being either a total stranger or someone with a very peripheral, second- or third-degree connection to NG.
 
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My theory, for what it's worth: Nancy wasn't kidnapped for ransom. She was taken by an obsessed fan of Savannah's to inflict the maximum amount of pain on her. This would explain why the "kidnappers" have not contacted the family and there's been no verified ransom demand. She wasn't taken for ransom, she was taken to hurt Savannah, and how can you hurt someone more than by taking someone they love away from them. Obsessed fans have done things like this in the past... Remember John F Hinkley, an obsessed fan of the actress, Jodie Foster? Hoping he would get her attention, he attempted to assassinate President Reagan.
Interesting point.
 
  • #16,905
Per NBC News, the image is from the doorbell camera
 
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Per NBC, the surveillance image is nobody the Guthrie family recognizes.

 
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The FBI will soon release a new image from a camera at Nancy Guthrie’s house, a source familiar with the investigation tells CNN’s Jake Tapper.


The image shows a person who appears to be wearing a mask and carrying a backpack or tools, NBC News reported.


The person is considered a “subject” in the investigation, NBC News said, and the bureau hopes assistance from the public can help gather more information about this individual. The image is not clear, according to NBC.


 
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LATEST PLEA: Former FBI special agent Jonny Grusing breaks down Savannah Guthrie’s latest video, directed to the public.

“The numbers don't look good at this point for [Nancy] doing okay, so I think that's another plea to the public, where we have an individual who might still be around with us, and just not in a good state right now, and we need your information right away,” he said.

WATCH:

I absolutely admire and love Former FBI Agent Grusing, such a remarkable and intelligent man. We've seen him involved in a few cases here on WS. A consummate professional...also possibly my next future husband. ;)

P.S. - don't tell my current one. <a little levity no disrespect intended>
 
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I was always wondering why the sheriff was so certain it was a kidnapping. MAYBE there is more video than we know.
JMO
 
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they just said they were told sometime after 12:15 - did they mean local time in AZ or did they mean east coast time?

And do we know where they are releasing the photo from? I'm guessing there's a press conference but don't know where it would be held. Surely they don't just simultaneously send it to various news outlets - would they?
 
  • #16,915
Per NBC, the surveillance image is nobody the Guthrie family recognizes.


That's really interesting - so no hired help that anyone recognizes, or a neighbor, etc., if true

What would the motive be for someone that they don't even know, and not tied to a ransom
 
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Does anyone think this picture will also have a timestamp? If the person in the picture turns out to be the suspect, it’ll be interesting to learn what time of day or night their arrival was.
Sorry just logging in on lunch break. Was it her phone camera she snapped image or from security camera? Does it specify??
 
  • #16,918
Ugh. I hope it's revealing.

Also, purportedly a mask and tools. Since she was removed, it lends more credence to the idea that a kidnapping was the motive rather than a random assault/murder/home invasion. This would also suggest why those ransom requests were taken seriously and perhaps even directly aligned/verified.

JMO.


IMO I don't see how it changes anything along that narrative.

Fits a burglary MO, but can be anything. Still can account for 2 separate crimes (initial crime + unrelated ransom scam) Remember the alternate narrative to a kidnapping also ends with the body being removed.
 
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Money was not an issue for NG. It is logical to think that for many jobs she had regular staff that did those jobs..pool being one that is often best handled by a professional company. Did TC organize some of this for sure. Did he or AG come over and deal with the small issues..yes for sure. I think there was a lot of back and forth from the two homes and they helped NG. SIL is a full time teacher, parent and apparently member of a band.
We have NO IDEA what her finances looked like. She might be house poor..Largest asset is her home, probably. Aside from SG, her other 2 children lead what appears to be modest lives. NG was a widow when SG was in her teens. At least 2 of her kids went to college.. Again, she was a widow. A house now worth 1 million approx that was built in the 70's ( per post someone made today with specs on house) has increased exponentially from it's original purchase price. As an Aside, per someone on Fox, Tuscon streets dont have cameras..just businesses do.. MOO
 
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