UK UK- Eve Stratford, 21, Bunny @ Playboy Club, posed for mag. cover, later her mutilated & grotesquely staged body found @ home, London 18/03/75 *DNA*

lee sumner said:

it should be the other way around. the killers DNA on the bindings, but its not the semen found at the scene. very confusing.

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lee sumner said:

i think he is wrong. farrow was being watched by her husband gangster friends, so to think a sex predator was also watching farrow does not add up. car full of gangsters and a sex maniac both watching farrow, but they dont see each other sounds nuts in my opinion.

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jojojaja said:

I am now starting to understand better where you're coming from. You watched West End Murders? Because while watching it I started to get bits and bobs of what you were saying.
They're trying to tie Abdul Khawaja, the Arab who frequented the club so often and was over friendly with Eve. They are linking him to Linda.
After their mother was killed and they went to live with their father, a frequent visitor, who Linda's girls, knew of as foreign, probably Arab, well dressed, smelt nice, short man with curly hair that would give them £50 each, every time he came, to go buy something nice, he was referred to as Monty. Linda's daughters, each separately said yes that's him, that's Monty, to a photo of Abdul, without being told who he was.
Part of me thinking yes he is often suspected, but his son gave DNA when that science became available, and it ruled him out.
I am pretty sure it being said the DNA found on Eva and Lynne is Northern European too.
But Abdul was a Mr Fixer who arranged things for people and used ex policemen doormen to do his dirty work. That he probably worked across various casinos, like the one Linda and her husband worked in, doing the same networking and business, some possibly shady.
In other words they're trying to say there were 2 involved with Eve, but Abdul didn't get his hands dirty. Their reasons for her being killed are pretty weak so far.
They're also using the two photofits to say the shorter one could be Abdul, present to make sure she opens the door and the taller one the killer. So would that mean both going in? So the lady downstairs who mentioned nothing about Eve coming back downstairs, now wouldn't hear her go back downstairs and 3 people going back up? Or that Abdul stayed outside after she opened the door? Thing is I remember reading the accounts and it was two separate witnesses that didn't put them as being together. One was following Eve said one witness, the one describes as having out-turned feet like a penguin and having a coat too big for him, the one described as shorter, wavy dark hair. The other is described as standing outside Eve's flat and taller. However people can misjudge heights and not remember features or take in details accurately.

Everyone saying she must have known the person to open the door seems to forget, there was one front door to a hallway and stairs leading to the downstairs flats, and the upstairs flat . The lady describing the talking, loud thump upstairs and someone leaving, when people arrived like Eve's bf etc never mentions a knock on the door, never mentions Eve coming back downstairs again to take someone upstairs. The dried flowers (more like leafy stems) weren't by her body as was often misreported, they were still on the stairs and it was deduced that she hadn't even properly gone upstairs when the man who killed her arrived, she may not have even closed the door.

Oh and it's become clear that it was mis-reported that Eve was a croupier, she was a waitress and preferred the afternoon shift to be able to go be with her bf when he came home from work.

There used to be a lot of pictures of the inside of Eve's flat online before, now I can only find one and it's lacking pixels.

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jojojaja said:

Verifying Device

Abdul Khawaja at the Bunny Girl Playboy Club. The fixer, was welcomed at the club as he helped business, he helped attract rich Arabs to spend money and translate for them. Something he may have done at different clubs. Lynda Farrow's daughters recognised him from this photo as a friend who visited their father, who must have known their mother.
It was Abdul who first took a copy of Eve's Mayfair magazine shoot to the Playboy Club showing it off to everyone, saying look at my girlfriend, isn't she pretty. Therefore the management finding out early and suspending Eve.
It's uncertain how close Eve and Abdul were, but it seems he made more of it than she did. The Bunnies seemed to find him a nuisance. Someone to be avoided by those with more street smart, someone charming and nice by the naive.

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tes1984 said:

The police thought a gang may have been planning to rob the house. In this scenario Lynda is killed because she fights back, or refuses to reveal where the valuables are.

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tes1984 said:

It's very confusing. I may be misremembering, but IIRC Eve's boyfriend TP said his DNA was compared to the semen sample.

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dotr said:

Would anyone consider Honeysuckle to have a 'cloying smell"?

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''A peculiar cloying scent was left by her attacker in the room where she was found''

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lee sumner said:

abdul was cleared years ago. DCI sutton is wrong in my opinion thinking stratford and farrow were killed by same perp. stratford murder was clearly a sex crime, but farrow murder looks like a domestic style murder. i believe farrow was killed by henchman working for her husband. his health was failing so he had others do his dirty work.

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Eastend Eagle said:

Maybe they weren't killed by the same person but the evidence that Khawaja was known to both suggests that the crimes may be linked in some way IMO

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Eastend Eagle said:

Maybe they weren't killed by the same person but the evidence that Khawaja was known to both suggests that the crimes may be linked in some way IMO

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tes1984 said:

I'm on the fence about the Farrow murder being linked, but DCI Sutton will have had access to material not in the public domain.

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tes1984 said:

Great post and very interesting questions about the DNA. The DNA from the binding could potentially be from an unconnected third party. There's clearly never been a match to the 'second' profile. I wonder if it's a full profile.

Khawaja was definitely a pimp type character. I could see Abdul introducing Eve to a client, but I can't see her flat being the venue. Her boyfriend was due home soonish and she lived with other people, who could have returned home at any time too.

However, there were rumours of fingerprint matches from Eve's flat to men from the Playboy Club. One match may have been to her agent, but not sure about the other possible matches. Maybe high rollers, who were alibied and cleared (and able to keep things out of the press etc).

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jojojaja said:

Also in both cases it was snowing/snow covered everywhere.
Dark clothing can hide the colour, especially as most people don't tend to stare.
In Eve's case, he may have even removed his clothes and washed.
In Lynda's case I don't think he had time.
Lynda was being watched that day by three people with connections to her husband, in a white car, they were outside her house and later in Dalston when Lynda was with her Mum at a shoe shop. One of the people that was watching Lynda and her bf later when she met him at his market stall outside Pellici's restaurant on Bethnal Green Rd
Lynda had been keeping where they were living away from her husband and associates and had been getting threatening calls.
I can't recall the type of car the three men were in, just it was white.
Only one man entered the house as there was only one set of footprints.
I'm open on whether they are linked or not, there is no evidence to say one way or the other.
I now realise there is no acknowledged DNA with Lynda Farrow and that the edits on Wikipedia saying there is have very poor sources.
It cites a magazine, which I bought and yes it says there is, but saying there is in a magazine doesn't make it so, it's weak evidence.
Someone also linked the 2009 Crimewatch reconstruction, and the police officer in the case stated there was forensic evidence, she did not say there was DNA. Forensics is much more than DNA, the palm prints and footprints are forensic evidence. The palm prints may not even be the killers too.
I am guessing the same person edited the wikipedia entry regarding Lynda to say she was followed through the doorway it was used as an example of what may have happened, because nobody was there it's not proven. In fact from what Lynda's daughter's said, it is far more likely that the killer entered through (and left) via the back door.
If the one set of footprints lead to the front door and then around the side of the house, it meant that's the way the killer went. If he entered through the front door, why would he then go out again with the risk of being seen, to walk around to the garden?! Makes no sense.
No mention of blood outside either, yet they know the person left via the kitchen door and must have gone over fences, less chance of the footprints being trampled over like the ones at the front of the house.

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jojojaja said:

I agree and he may have followed them on public transport.

I used to think people stopped killing or had breaks due to incarceration, moving away or death, I think it was the Golden State Killer and other things I've heard or read since he was caught which made me realise that people sometimes stop because they get in a relationship, have kids or a steady job. Hard to imagine someone like this with a wife, but other sickening men did it.

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Der Detektiv said:

Let's say there were two perpetrators, why do you think only one of them went to kill again?

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Yellowbelly said:

I remember seeing a documentary about the murder of Colette Aram in 1983. By the time the murderer, Paul Stewart Hutchinson, was tracked down in 2009 by DNA profiling, he was a married 50 year old family man with 3 kids. He hadn't done anything similar either before or since, yet in 1983 he had kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 16 year old girl. So, somebody committing a heinous crime out of the blue and going on to live a perfectly normal life does happen.

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rosesfromangels said:

At the risk of offending every decent and legit photographer (my apologíes in advance), i’m dwelling on Eve’s magazine shoot. Did the other murdered women have any connections to a photographer? I cant help but think of that miscreant Alcala.

Amateur opinion and speculation

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lee sumner said:

DCI sutton thinks 2 perps were at eve stratford flat, and one of them was abdul, the fixer, and the other a hitman taken there by abdul to rape and kill eve. this theory sounds nuts in my opinion.

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jojojaja said:

Daily Mirror - Saturday 10 September 1977​

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Here is a piece about the murder of Elizabeth Parravicini, here spelt with an 'a' instead of an 'i' at the end of her surname. At the end of the piece it mentions that her murder may be linked to Lynne Weedon's murder.
Apparently the movie that Elizabeth went to see in the west end was 'Casanova'. Elizabeth's father is/was George Graham, an architect and Elizabeth was visiting from her home in Rome, for two weeks. Elizabeth apparently had two pre-school children btw.

I can't help feeling many of these ladies were simply followed home, they are all either on their way home or just got home.

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TheRockingRev said:

Which could add weight to there being more than one person involved - if they thought they may have to tackle the boyfriend as well.

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