Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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justwannahelp said:
The pair found in the field - is it one of those that has the DNA on it? Or is it a glove found at her home that has DNA on it?

This is good to hear!!!
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The sheriff recently clarified that no glove was found at the residence.

This particular glove is said to have been found 2 miles from the residence, has a strangers DNA and "may be a match (ie looks similar) to the masked man's gloves.
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Let's hope they find a direct or familial DNA match in the CODIS database. Although it's worth remembering that this could be anyone's random glove, not necessarily masked man.
 
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SMK777 said:
It's difficult to imagine the suspect being so careless. You'd think they'd burn them. I'm afraid this may prove to be another deadend.
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Criminals are mostly stupid IMO, lucky for LE as they more often than not convict themselves with there stupidity
 
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InVinoVeritas said:
Those closest to NG will hopefully have been extensively questioned about her routines and schedule. Neighbours also, people at her Church and those who zoomed in to SG's church.
Without having that picture, we wise Web Sleuths are missing so much. There was a lot of chat initially about what an 84 year old can do and what they may struggle with. It was often very generic and quite demeaning in some instances. In terms of NG, none of us know exactly how her medical and mobility issues affected her. With my own nearly 80 year old mother who lives alone - I know exactly her limitations and strengths. I do know that this generation is often quite "tough" and enjoy their independence. My Mum, like NG, has lived in her house for a very long time. It's now too big for her, but she won't move and I won't push her on this.

Motives seem to boil down IMO to:

1. To hurt SG or another member of the family (a grudge, a debt?)
2. Money - either from NG directly or in the form of a ransom
3. Robbery - gone wrong - so the aim was to break in and steal.
4. Mental illness and a fascination with either SG or NG therefore a distorted motive.
5. Their moment of fame - knowing that this would be big news given the SG connection.
6. A wider gang related crime, whose motive was to send a message to someone or something?
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Sexual predator
 
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OldCop said:
Yes, but usually only partial prints due to the pulling/tugging to get them off. You would have a better chance of extracting dna than obtaining usable prints, but it has been done. Unfortunately in this case it looks like the gloves were double layered. Unless the outer, found glove was tried on for fit, forensics may not be able to extract dna or prints from the outer glove.
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Good to know, thanks much 👍
 
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chaz said:
There is something I don't understand. The way TMZ inserted themself, I don't understand why they don't pay the ransom themself. It's a small payment compared to what they gain. With the information they can go to the authorities en cash in the reward + they will have the biggest scoop they can dream of. So why don't they? I think they don't trust the writer of the notes or they knew all along it was fake messages. They said the location of the applewatch was 'accurate', how do they know? Noone else said it was accurate.
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Because journalists aren't supposed to insert themselves into the story. Journalists report the story. Harvey Levin is also a lawyer. I am confident TMZ has a lot of house counsel or lawyers on retainers. Paying the ransom was not their job. Ransom writer wants money and attention from SG. She sure is paying attention to PERP NOW! imo. I am confident TMZ was sent ransom notes, imo because they are an entertainment outlet. Probably another source obsessed perp uses to stalk SG.

The more important and distressing angle is that SG, in third video, said WE WILL PAY. She didnt. Perp is again spurned by his fantasy lover..JMO MOO
 
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UK Girl said:
They really have had a lot on this case. More than they do when British people go missing here tbh
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SaraSmile said:
Agreed, body is in the desert, a ravine, off a country road, not in a neighborhood. Hidden in brush, not buried. Sorry, I hope I’m wrong… JMO

JMO
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I think if Nancy is deceased, it would make sense that her body has been buried in the desert. This keeps the body "safe" from animals or weather conditions etc.
Ala "Breaking Bad" and Hank's (the DEA agent) demise, the perps buried him and then noted the coordinates.
If someone pays the ransom re NG's body,
(Not a live one) the perps would be able to give them the coordinates of where she was buried.
 
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loves2readhistory said:
To REALLY do a forensic search on a vehicle suspected of transporting a “bleeding” crime victim—remember Nancy’s blood traces on front walk, they would need to basically disassemble that car looking for evidence. They can’t do that in a Culver’s parking lot.
IMO—I think they treated w/Luminol and got hits that gave credibility to that car being used to transport Nancy.

A relatively new car (which I think this one is) wouldn’t have all the opportunity to acquire blood traces like a car that had been used over time and could have all kinds of trace evidence in it. Think soccer mom’s car in family with two dogs, a baby, and various kids going to various places. Or a Range Rover used by a veterinarian to make ranch calls. Or a vehicle used by deer hunter or fisherman—those types of vehicles could legitimately have traces of blood inside that were not from a crime victim.
So they are going on odds of possibility/Occam’s Razor thinking maybe in why they took the Range Rover in and let the Rio Rico car go home.
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Does anyone know if the RR was perhaps a rental car?
 
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Spectrix said:
The sheriff recently clarified that no glove was found at the residence.

This particular glove is said to have been found 2 miles from the residence, has a strangers DNA and looks similar to evil masked man's gloves.
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It feels weak. Why would someone go out of their way to completely disguise themselves and then not incinerate or very carefully discard everything? Seems casual to toss a glove.
 
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MistyWaters said:
One thing I’ve learned from my years of following true crime is it’s a huge mistake to believe LE immediately shares with the public everything found at the crime scene. They only tell us what they think we should know, reason is mainly to get leads from the public.

Maybe part of the reason might be psychological, to cause the criminal to puzzle over if the note or message was found? But I’d say almost always there’s holdback evidence, for one reason I suppose is to separate true confessions from false confessions.
JMO
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I've been thinking about this a lot as I've been stuck on the question of why they didn't leave any kind of note whether ransom or otherwise at the scene.

I noticed on the NBC News site the timeline they are reporting now indicates the family arrived at the house at @11:56 am after the church friend called them and called 911 at 12:03 pm (I'm not sure if I need to link the site or not here). We don't know what they found inside but it only took minutes for them to see something was very wrong. I'm wondering if one of the things they saw was some kind of communication from whoever took NG that we know nothing about because it's not being shared. I'm not saying it had to be a ransom note, it could have been a "revenge" communication if the theory that this was done to get back at a family member is true.

Admittedly this may seem farfetched but we have no idea what was found inside that house.
 
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lvs314159 said:
From article, "Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house, the spokesperson said, noting that most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

i hope those involved were reprimanded for littering their gloves like trash and wasting time on unnecessary testing.

A lot of this case, especially in the beginning, seemed like a waste of time, unfortunately. Thank goodness the FBI has taking over.
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It doesn’t make any sense why they would do this at all, ugh. 😩
 
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Sakura2Sophia4Lucia said:
Lantana guy's gloves looked distinctive. If that's true, there could be a chance they have the DNA of Lantana guy. And, then it seems reasonable to think that Lantana guy's might be in CODIS.

Seems strange for a criminal to discard their gloves within 2 miles of the crime, knowing there's a chance your DNA is on them. Cutting them up and flushing them down a toilet, throwing them in with garbage at a dumpster or disposing of them in a way where it's highly unlikely the gloves would be found would make more sense.

JMO
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I don’t know about you, but if I were the suspect, I’d want to incinerate everything to be 100% evidence was destroyed. But I wouldn’t want to do it in an urban or suburban area - too many prying eyes and noses. Plenty of criminals have been caught burning evidence within nose-shot of neighbors. I’d go to a remote area and torch it.

But maybe a glove flew out the window and he couldn’t find it at night. Criminals have been caught by similar blunders.
 
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SMK777 said:
It's difficult to imagine the suspect being so careless. You'd think they'd burn them. I'm afraid this may prove to be another deadend.
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Well there was this phd criminology student that left a knife sheath that had his dna at a crime scene once…
 
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loves2readhistory said:
Read again and you can see ==
The poster gave examples of POSSIBLE RANSOM NOTE
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I read again. Poster did not state these are examples. The poster stated that the perp is obsessed with S , and proceeded to quote in quotation marks, which is how facts are referenced.
 
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OldCop said:
Interesting tidbit while we all ponder where Nancy Guthrie may be. We all hope she will be found alive, but in the event she has passed where would her body be?

AI response to the question, “Where do murderers like to hide bodies?”.

Based on forensic research and historical criminal cases, murderers often select dump sites that balance isolation (to avoid detection) with accessibility
. These sites are often familiar to the offender, such as areas near their home, workplace, or along familiar travel routes.
Common dump sites used by murderers include:
  • Remote or Wooded Areas: Heavily thicketed or forested areas that are accessible by car but out of public view are frequently used. Examples include Baltimore’s Leakin Park.
  • Waterways and Swamps: Deep, murky, or remote bodies of water are commonly used, such as the Louisiana Swamps or various bayous.
  • Roadsides and Deserts: Remote stretches of highways, particularly in high desert regions, are frequently used to dump bodies. The I-40 corridor in the US has been identified as a significant site for highway serial killings.
  • Alleys and Urban Debris: In urban areas, victims are often discarded in alleys or behind buildings, sometimes covered by existing trash.
  • Industrial Sites and Landfills: Abandoned industrial areas, construction debris sites, or landfill areas are used to conceal bodies.
  • Properties Linked to the Offender: Studies indicate that in cases with preplanning, offenders are more likely to dispose of bodies on their own property, such as under homes, in crawl spaces, or in basements.
Key Factors in Site Selection
Research into serial murder suggests that offenders tend to use "killing fields"—specific, recurring areas—that allow them to return to the victims to relive their crimes. Many of these sites are chosen because they are on the fringes of urban areas, often referred to as "the boondocks," where bodies can remain hidden for long periods.
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Helpful and interesting.

If the abductor killed NG, they likely wanted to get NG's body out of their car as soon as possible. So, this article suggests that LE will likely find NG's body in an isolated area that is convenient to the abductor and near where they live, work or on a familiar travel route.

If they got rid of NG's body on their way home, near their home, workplace or a familiar travel route, it's unlikely that it would be on the highway going up to Mt Lemon. It's about 18-19 miles from NG's house to the beginning of the more remote and steep areas of Catalina Highway going up toward Mt Lemon. This area is not on most people's travel routes or near where most people live and work, and would likely not be on the abductor's radar. If the abductor lived in the area between Tanque Verde and Catalina Highway or further east, of course it's possible, but it just doesn't seem that it would be convenient to the abductor.

MOO
 
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EncyclopediaBrownJr said:
Well there was this phd criminology student that left a knife sheath with his dna at a crime scene once…
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Agreed. I said previously that I'm not impressed with the job that either local LE or FBI is doing, however I think it is going to come down to who makes the biggest or the most mistakes as to this being solved...jmo
 
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TIGER0822 said:
Fox reporting that the glove found looks similar to the nitrile glove worn by the suspect . And they have sent the glove for analysis.
I don’t think the glove would have been dumped in an exposed area. Just my opinion.
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It could have been dropped accidentally, rather than intentionally dumped. It's dark in the desert at night. He might not have noticed it had fallen.

I want to know if the DNA they found on the allegedly matching glove matches any DNA they retrieved from the POI they detained Friday, or any DNA they found, or will find, in the Range Rover they took away for processing. If so, we are closer to finding NG. If not, we are back to the usual chasing leads and watching media stalk investigators. MOO.
 
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su5ie said:
I think you can use this thread as an example of what you are implying

So far it has 1512 pages multiply that by 20 posts per page and even if one has read every post and one had felt 500 posts were intriguing and 1000 posts were saying similar. How many posts can you recall with accuracy 🤔 especially ones that are not recent

Whereas AI can do all that categorisation in seconds therefore churning out the most valid posts / tips but you would still need a human to see if those posts were phrased as " imo " 'hypothetically phrased " or leads

Just my musings
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I think we are all speed readers here, with excellent retention, overall. Even if we miss some posts, the topics recirculate, another chance to understand evidence, or see a different take on the same evidence. The case starts to come together over time.

AI should help sorting out evidence, great tool.

A relative newcomer here, this is my observation.

JMO
 
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EncyclopediaBrownJr said:
Well there was this phd criminology student that left a knife sheath that had his dna at a crime scene once…
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and two criminals who attached a phone to GPS and drove all the way to crime scene to murder Teresa Seivers, those two were very high on the dumbometer
 
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SMK777 said:
It's difficult to imagine the suspect being so careless. You'd think they'd burn them. I'm afraid this may prove to be another deadend.
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True, but one might argue par for the course with the blood trail out the front door, Lantanagate and his image on camera all being other examples of sloppiness, carelessness. Guess we will find our something soon one-way or another.
 
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