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Nancy Guthrie: Gloves found with DNA appears to match suspect's gloves in surveillance​


Full statement from the FBI​

"The gloves found approximately 2 miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the side of the road were packaged up by PCOS and sent overnight on 2/12 and they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2/13.

The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2/14 and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male profile into CoDIS, the national database unique to the bureau.

This process typically takes 24 hours from when the bureau receives DNA. Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house.

Most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity. The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

The FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever timeline is provided to us."




 
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What if it also has Nancy’s DNA on it?
If the glove came from a person involved in the removal of NG I imagine her DNA would be on it. The FBI statement read by BE only mentions "a" profile and that that profile is male. IMO

 
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Petty vandalism. A ticket in AZ penal code.
I think the theft aspect makes it something more than just petty vandalism. Under Arizona Revised Statute 13-1602, vandalism is defined as recklessly damaging, defacing, or tampering with another person's property, with theft (if it occurs,) coming as an additional charge on top of the vandalism charge.

JMO
 
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One of the worst case scenarios here would be if the DNA turns out to belong to NG with no perp DNA present
Yes but it would also confirm path they took from NGs home. That would be significant. Right now they seem to be grasping at straws because looking at a map of the area there are numerous ingress and egress routes throughout the community.
 
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BBM: I don't know about this. Even if it doesn't match DNA in the house, it does have DNA on it and looks like porch guy's glove. We're not entirely sure that porch guy even got into the house. Maybe he was "cleanup"? Maybe he was just a helper. At any rate, he's totally disguised himself and is tampering with NG's front door on her private property. He wasn't here for tea.

It sure seems like he's in a heap of trouble, even sans his DNA inside the house.
I've been thinking about the gloves. The gloves shown in the video are so thick, ie., multiple layers of gloves IMO, that it would be IMO impossible to remove a glove without using your teeth to help peel it off. Your other hand would be layered also, so could not be used to remove the other glove. Here's to hoping that the driver of the vehicle took off his outer layer of glove by using his teeth, then threw it out of the window. DNA
 
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This is the most obtuse click-bait headline.

How does it MATCH the person "seen"? The DNA does not match anything, they are saying there is DNA on a glove that "LOOKS" like the generic disposable black gloves seen in the Nest footage. That's it. That's what the article (and others) are currently saying.
 
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Alot of these new headlines are a bit misleading and click-baity. When you read the articles, am I correct that they are saying they have a DNA profile on a glove and the GLOVE is what is visually similar to what the person at Nancy's front door was wearing. Not that they have matched DNA on the glove to DNA at Nancy's house.

The headlines make it sound like they have matched DNA to this person.

Am I correct?
 
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Good question. I'll take a stab at answering it. MOO only. If matched to a known individual, they would locate that individual and question him. They would also match him to any DNA they may have recovered from NG's house. Now, if the DNA on the glove so happens to match any DNA found at the house, they might arrest him. If the DNA doesn't match anyone in the CODIS database or any DNA that the FBI has collected so far, we are back to square one.
They’ll hope to find NG’s DNA, too, to know if this is a real lead.
 
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I am stuck on LE's early assessment that the blood splatter on the front porch was possibly aspirated.

"Blood aspiration, which is based on an intact breathing activity, is one of the forensically most important vital reactions."* So, this implies some sort of trauma with the inhalation of blood, such as a severe nose bleed or thoracic injury to lungs. Especially if NG was on blood thinning / anti clotting medications, as I suspect given heart conditions we're told she has. She'd bleed very easily.

But I also wonder if the splatter was post mortem, limiting the bleed event, and occurred as she was being removed from her house. Could / did (without notifying the public) LE determine if the NG porch blood splatter was post mortem?

*https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073804006310
IMO.
 
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I've been thinking about the gloves. The gloves shown in the video are so thick, ie., multiple layers of gloves IMO, that it would be IMO impossible to remove a glove without using your teeth to help peel it off. Your other hand would be layered also, so could not be used to remove the other glove. Here's to hoping that the driver of the vehicle took off his outer layer of glove by using his teeth, then threw it out of the window. DNA
Good thinking!

That would align with some of the discussion on here about the Lantana man - seems to have prepared based on what he thought he needed vs actual experience/common sense. MOO
 
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What’s everyone’s thoughts on why they’re even telling the public about the gloves?
In my opinion the recent investigative paths are unlikely to yield success, but they're going public in the hope it forces a mistake.

The helicopter with the bluetooth scanner might scare the suspect to move NG.

If there's multiple people involved in the kidnapping, you only need 1 weak link. Did one of the suspects throw the gloves out the window/do they all trust each other that these aren't any of their gloves? Maybe one of them is panicked enough to confess for a deal or flee and be caught... Just my opinion.

Also it's somewhat better PR for the investigation than saying they've done nothing for the day.
 
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What’s everyone’s thoughts on why they’re even telling the public about the gloves? Maybe they’re pretty sure of a suspect and purposefully putting pressure on them? Public pressure for results? It just seems senseless to tell any of this to the media at this stage.

What am I missing?
They may simply want to give the impression that they’re making progress, bc it’s not really clear they’ve made any…
 
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RSBM
Morbid alert.

Unless that occurred post mortem, then there'd be less blood. But I doubt a perp would consider removing NG's pacemaker post mortem at NG's home. That would take an incredible amount of foresight, personal knowledge of NG, and medical knowledge.

That said, did LE, as OPs have posited, announce the pacemaker tracker effort to flush a perp out of hiding to remove the device?
I would more so guess that they’re looking for a body, not a pacemaker that’s been removed. Unfortunately, and this is morbid too but the reality, very little may remain if she was deceased and left out in the desert. If she’s no longer alive, I doubt someone kept her in their home. Chances are they went out into the desert given the location. It’s like perps who live near a wooded area. They’re always searched. These areas are vast. It’s so hard to find someone and murderers know it. This is another reason I find it hard to believe this was the first murder the person committed if it wasn’t personal (someone close to Nancy who spent months planning it out). The perp may be connected to other (unsolved) crimes. I’m sure they’re looking at similar crimes in the area or close to it. As AB just said, who has a balaclava in Arizona? Maybe a skier who travels but generally speaking, this was someone who purchased specific items to commit this particular crime and/or others. It’s not something someone has in their closet who lives in Arizona. It’s hot. It points to a career criminal or a crime which is personal in nature. It’s not impossible that the person travels and has winter clothes but there’s a good chance they purchased items to commit this type of crime.
 
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