Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Duk3 said:

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That would be great for LE but not so clever for the prep as every print-out has a unique "fingerprint" that allows someone to trace it back to the machine that made it... not just which model it is but exact individual machine that made the individual print, even if each machine was the same printer model. A fascinating fact I learned just recently!

Source: Printer tracking dots - Wikipedia

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Right, that’s why I said they should dispose of the machine after printing the note.

Rumination1 said:

The ransom demands seem to have fizzled … what does that mean?they have given up seeking money ?

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My hope is that some professionalism is creeping back into the case, and therefore LE and MSM are withholding pertinent information from us in the public. (As opposed to random podcasters who may say anything, even if unconfirmed).

I certainly HOPE that they are making progress and will tell us when and if they have some firm evidence.

JM speculation.

OldCop said:

I agree. If you have a body or hostage in your vehicle, you don’t want to be stopped by LE. You want to hide them as soon as possible. However, it also depends on your relationship to the victim. Do you want to revisit the site for some reason or do you want the victim to be as far away as possible so there would be little to no connection to you.
I used the road to Mt Lemon as an example in reply to the post by @Trino

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I agree with you on disposal sites. There are lots of pockets of desert close to Nancy's home that could conceal a body--areas along through roads without foot traffic or culverts, for instance. Your mention of Mt Lemmon seems plausible. You prompted me to share my early theory that Nancy could have been taken into the Pusch Ridge Wilderness Area / Mt Lemmon. It's close by. It can be accessed from nearby neighborhoods, trailheads, and roads that traverse it. Once off a trail or road, the dense vegetation and rocks in the flat, wide open areas or the crags in the rock faces could conceal a body or evidence. Air searches might have eliminated the flat areas near roads and trails. The outcrops in the lower rocky cliffs would make detection from the air difficult.

Given Nancy's physical limitation, It's not plausible that she was forced to walk away from her house or into the wilderness as Elizabeth Smart was. Posts here largely dismissed the idea of Nancy being taken from her home by off-road vehicle. Most ORVs are loud, they pointed out. Someone trying to be stealthy wouldn't use one on the roads in the neighborhood or to go through the open spaces behind homes. The noise an off-road vehicle is only a concern near houses. Once out of NG's neighborhood, the kidnapper could have transferred to an ORV and continued on.

After the video from the front door was released, I read an opinion elsewhere from someone familiar with the desert saying the kidnapper could be itinerant or camping. Based on his experience and the equipment he uses on off-road adventures, he thought the backpack looked like it contained a Starlink Mini. Initially, hiding out in the wilderness waiting for ransom seemed possible if unlikely. Even if that was the original plan, I fear too much time has passed. She's not alive, and the kidnapper is long gone. I think it is more than likely that a kidnapper would take an elderly victim into the wilderness area only as a disposal site.

The area outside of the neighborhoods is isolated and remote. There are plenty of places for a prepared kidnapper to hold a hostage or dispose of a body. I agree with previous opinions that well-intentioned untrained searchers going on unfocused searches would not be helpful. The area is too vast and unforgiving.





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imstilla.grandma said:

Last week, several gloves were found near Nancy's home before being sealed in evidence bags by the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and shipped overnight for testing at a private lab in Florida.

Nearly 16 gloves were collected near her home, and most of them were used and discarded by searchers at the site, the FBI told the Daily Mail.


One of the gloves is different from the rest and appears to match the ones the unidentified masked captor was wearing in the doorbell video captured at Nancy's front porch, the FBI said.

Officials are awaiting confirmation on DNA of an unknown male profile that was lifted from the glove. Results usually takes about 24 hours to come back, the agency added.

Nancy Guthrie case could be 'burglary gone wrong'

No one has seen or heard from Nancy Guthrie in two weeks. The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie was taken from her home in Tucson, Arizona, on February 1.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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So does this mean that searchers simple discard their gloves as rubbish in the area? That would be totally unacceptable for professional searchers in Australia.

BellaToothless said:

Then why not just leave her at the house?

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On the chance that their DNA would be found on her body, maybe decided to move her away jmo

NothingToSeeHere said:

Sorry to keep coming back to the garage door—those of you with app-controlled garage doors, what could result in only an “approximate” open time but a definitive close time?

Back when I had a garage door, I had one of those clicker remotes and a button on the wall by the interior entrance door, which would occasionally malfunction and we did not notice in the moment. IOW, we would sometimes arrive back home, or go downstairs in the morning to find the door not quite closed, or even completely open if there was a sensor or remote problem.

Since NG left her home initially by Uber, she may not have noticed that her garage door was not quite secure from whenever it had been previously used. Then when she and SIL return home, would the app register differently than usual? Would you get an alert if there was a malfunction, or could the door have been tampered with? I know the sheriff has been criticized for some of his wording, but he really went out of his way to emphasize “approximately.”

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Is the blue door below the smashed light an entrance to the garage?

penguinface said:

Wasn’t he referring to the roof camera in that conference?

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No- you have to listen very carefully as he is actually very judicious with his words in that press conference and in interviews since. He does not say it was smashed, but Michael Ruiz, a Fox News reporter, confirmed that there were glass fragments on the porch near where the camera was, which also lines up with Ashleigh Banfield's report that the cameras were smashed.

If anyone has a transcript of the Feb 5 press conference please post it-- I have looked and cannot find one.

BreakingNews said:

So does this mean that searchers simple discard their gloves as rubbish in the area? That would be totally unacceptable for professional searchers in Australia.

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It's unacceptable here, too.

Also this glove is 2 miles from her house. Lots of people carry gloves. People who walk their dogs, drug users, people who work in construction. It could be anyone....

Cassie P said:

Yes he seemed unprepared for it or thought it had already been disarmed. If you were going to commit a capital crime, I'd think he would have examined the crime scene beforehand. Or perhaps it was a routine B&E which went bad. Or the kidnapping or staging was being done on short notice.

My doorbell notification is loud and would wake me up. Also women are lighter sleepers than men. Most older women report difficulty sleeping. So more likely an older female would wake up with a phone alert.

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Even if he thought it had been disarmed, he should have had a tool if he planned trying to get in that front door - but he apparently has nothing at the ready. It was easier to pull up a plant to cover the camera than pull a tool out.

The motion notifications from my doorbell camera sound like every other notification on my phone so depending on how many notifications she gets, it may not have been notable. She also had a hearing aid which she apparently didn’t have in as it was still in the house. If she also used the Do Not Disturb feature on her phone when sleeping, she wouldn’t have gotten audible motion alert notifications either. :-/

cathathorse said:

No- you have to listen very carefully as he is actually very judicious with his words in that press conference and in interviews since. He does not say it was smashed, but Michael Ruiz, a Fox News reporter, confirmed that there were glass fragments on the porch near where the camera was, which also lines up with Ashleigh Banfield's report that the cameras were smashed.

If anyone has a transcript of the Feb 5 press conference please post it-- I have looked and cannot find one.

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9:26 Uh, the doorbell camera. Um, it it was removed. We know that, but we're not
9:32 confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed around the house. I don't
9:38 know where that came from, but that's something we're not confirming.

There is a transcript button in the link that I used to pull up the transcript. But you need to click on "more" under the video description to see the transcript button.

cathathorse said:

No- you have to listen very carefully as he is actually very judicious with his words in that press conference and in interviews since. He does not say it was smashed, but Michael Ruiz, a Fox News reporter, confirmed that there were glass fragments on the porch near where the camera was, which also lines up with Ashleigh Banfield's report that the cameras were smashed.

If anyone has a transcript of the Feb 5 press conference please post it-- I have looked and cannot find one.

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I am not sure if they were smashed. The suspect took the doorbell camera with him.

Michael Ruiz could have been mistaken thinking that some of the tiny white lantana pieces on the porch were glass.

MassGuy said:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023078791862800654

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I hope this helps find Nancy!

BellaToothless said:

Then why not just leave her at the house?

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Possibility she was assaulted or ran from abductors. Fell. Unconscious? Concerned they might be charged with murder so they took her.

imstilla.grandma said:

Last week, several gloves were found near Nancy's home before being sealed in evidence bags by the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and shipped overnight for testing at a private lab in Florida.

Nearly 16 gloves were collected near her home, and most of them were used and discarded by searchers at the site, the FBI told the Daily Mail.


One of the gloves is different from the rest and appears to match the ones the unidentified masked captor was wearing in the doorbell video captured at Nancy's front porch, the FBI said.

Officials are awaiting confirmation on DNA of an unknown male profile that was lifted from the glove. Results usually takes about 24 hours to come back, the agency added.

Nancy Guthrie case could be 'burglary gone wrong'

No one has seen or heard from Nancy Guthrie in two weeks. The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie was taken from her home in Tucson, Arizona, on February 1.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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So far a glove that was found roughly two miles from NG's house visually looks like the common disposable gloves worn by the Nest suspect. Disposable nitrile and latex gloves are like Hondas on the road and have no distinguishing visual features.

It's crazy to say yeah, it looks like the glove the suspect wore when the suspect wore the most common of disposable gloves that are indistinguishable

Unless there is more (NG blood, hit to DNA inside the home) this is very circumstantial at best.

Cassie P said:

Yes he seemed unprepared for it or thought it had already been disarmed. If you were going to commit a capital crime, I'd think he would have examined the crime scene beforehand. Or perhaps it was a routine B&E which went bad. Or the kidnapping or staging was being done on short notice.

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Or he had a WiFi jammer in his backpack and was surprised that the camera was still being triggered (although doorbell cameras still work I *think* if wired into the home and he may not have known that). If I recall correctly, there were (early) reports of next door neighbors having WiFi issues around that time.

Or he cut electricity and it was a battery operated front door camera and he didn't anticipate it.

This is all my layperson's opinion and I admittedly don't know a lot about how these cameras work even though we have a metric ton of them in and around our house, both wired and unwired.

JMO.

Sakura2Sophia4Lucia said:

Oh, that's a very good point. If NG were alive, taking her through Border Control to Mexico would likely not be a problem. And, it is possible that she may have been alive at that time. Also, going into Mexico from AZ is fairly easy. It's coming back where the agents are much more careful about people in the car. JMO

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Good points.
I’m still thinking NG’s body was left somewhere about 5-10 miles away. Far enough to avoid easily finding it, close enough, perp doesn’t drive around much with a DB in car ( Sorry about the DB talk).

JMO

So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.

skyedaze said:

So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.

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LE has not confirmed or denied forced entry and said so specifically.

SlimPickens said:

Or he had a WiFi jammer in his backpack and was surprised that the camera was still being triggered (although doorbell cameras still work I *think* if wired into the home and he may not have known that). If I recall correctly, there were (early) reports of next door neighbors having WiFi issues around that time.

This is all my layperson's opinion and I admittedly don't know a lot about how these cameras work even though we have a metric ton of them in and around our house, both wired and unwired.

JMO.

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I've had the same speculation regarding a Wi-Fi jammer. I remember those early reports as well

skyedaze said:

So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.

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I think some people are surmising that entry was made at a different door, most thinking one at the rear.

JMO