Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Eli9 said:
"Them" "Mexico" Author of today's note/letter has a record of burglary from 10 years ago. Hmmmmm
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I’ll bet he does…and more.
 
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dotr said:
FWIW, Documentary about a kidnapping for money case, the family was tortured by the various communications from the culprits, giving false hope for the safe return of their daughter.
The dirty dogs had already killed her though.
en.wikipedia.org

Kidnapping of Anabel Segura - Wikipedia

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From your link above:

Although Segura had been killed on the day of her abduction, Muñoz and Ortiz continued to contact her family in the subsequent months, demanding a large ransom in exchange for her supposed release. However, they never appeared at the agreed-upon meeting points to collect the money.[2] In June 1993, two months after the kidnapping, the perpetrators sent the family a tape recording of Felisa García, Muñoz's wife, impersonating Segura.[2]
 
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txsleuth70 said:
Didn't say anything whatsoever about a dealer plate being on the vehicle. One can plainly see that it has a paper tag. Fraud is rampant with paper tags. A criminal wouldn't prioritize getting a metal plate onto a car. They would probably just slap another paper tag onto it. Then sell the car. The new owner wouldn't always necessarily be issued a new metal plate right away because it takes a minute to transfer the title.
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Thanks. I come from a state that doesn’t use temporary plates so I spoke from personal experience. I should have checked AZ dmv info before posting.
 
  • #31,884
SlimPickens said:
It is a smallish amount for sure, and both the family and/or TMZ could absorb the relatively small risk. But what if they paid some 'last guy' who emailed and offered them info but he ghosted them and bought, say, a Range Rover two days prior to being raided by SWAT?

Not saying that's what happened, of course. Probably didn't. Only LE knows the finer details of why they wanted that man and that car. But still.

JMO.
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That is a good point. Remember that LE may be investigating multiple crimes at this point including: those related to the abduction of NG, one or more investigations regarding the multiple ransom notes, and the investigation regarding the person who demanded 100 K for information about who the kidnapper was.
 
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SlimPickens said:
It is a smallish amount for sure, and both the family and/or TMZ could absorb the relatively small risk. But what if they paid some 'last guy' who emailed and offered them info but he ghosted them and bought, say, a Range Rover two days prior to being raided by SWAT?

Not saying that's what happened, of course. Probably didn't. Only LE knows the finer details of why they wanted to talk to that man and process that car. But still.

JMO.
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I can understand the legalities surrounding the reward money and its' inability to be used towards this most presumably hoax letter. I do wonder if there is a legal reason prohibiting the G family or anyone else from paying the same dollar amount to this person who is clearly committing a crime by asking for it in exchange for information.
 
  • #31,886
BellaToothless said:
Really excellent analysis IMO. 1 thing that popped out at me:

He noted it's not normal for a home invader to take 41min in the home. He said "it just doesn't happen". And his 2 reasons for why this might have happened was a botched invasion or the Perp was trying to cover forensic evidence. Earlier report below stated that an "anonymous source in LE" said that all of the cameras inside the house that were set up/pointing specifically to know if NG fell were able to be smashed before their motion was able to be visible in recordings/streams.

Source: Nancy Guthrie Abduction Points to 'Inside Job': Chilling New Theory Emerges Surrounding Masked Man Behind Disappearance of 'Today' Host Savannah's Mom

Also note previous LE report that "person was detected" on camera at 2:12? (Unknown whether it was an interior or exterior camera) LE also said it was unknown if it was a person or animal. I have cameras that lists it out like this. Sometimes correct sometimes not.

If true this would acct for the extra time. Would also make me question if this was an inside job (person familiar with the property interior to that extent). Lantana man just didn't seem to be in a hurry. At all. Did not move as though he was concerned about time.

Re the 2 known ransom notes from "the kidnapper" there always seemed to be 2 possibilities: 1. It was not from kidnapper or 2. It was from kidnapper but staged in that the ransom was not primary goal. I say this because it came late after kidnapping. Sent to a celebrity rag TMZ as well as 2 others? (Wants a celebrity stance). Could not offer proof of life or was never intending to. No known amping up of pressure on family after the 2. And why not leave the note if you're already in the home?

Thoughts?
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Emphasis mine.
Good points made !

First bolded : I would like to know more from aol News, about this 'anonymous' source.
And as far as I know, this is the first time anyone has stated cameras were smashed.
All of this time it was thought they were disabled or the SD cards removed ?

Second bolded : I concur.
It's difficult to believe that we're this far into the tragic abduction, and still not any further forward than the beginning questions !!
Imo.
 
  • #31,887
oc1234 said:
We also haven't heard if the unidentified NG house dna had a codis match. Maybe they don't have enough for a profile??? Did I miss this?
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“The sheriff said the DNA was collected from the crime scene the morning investigators processed Nancy Guthrie’s home but declined to specify whether it was found inside or outside the house. The DNA has not matched anyone in CODIS, the national database for people convicted of crimes.”

www.newsnationnow.com

DNA found at Nancy Guthrie’s home not hers or close contacts: Sheriff

Authorities in Arizona have found DNA belonging to someone other than Nancy Guthrie or those in close contact with her on her property.
www.newsnationnow.com www.newsnationnow.com
 
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I think I read earlier in this thread that LE has stated without question that this is not a case of burglary gone wrong. That is unfortunate, because that is exactly what it looks like. In doing this they may be focusing on DNA of an alleged perpetrator and all the time it takes to get it, rather than the location of a medically compromised 84 yr. old woman, who must be in dire straits physically at this point.

I hope this is just a cover up ruse by police and they are actually examining the burglary aspect, or precious time will be wasted.

If this was a bungled burglary by a non-professional, he will have panicked and likely separated himself from her as quickly as possible. I hope there are search teams combing the desert with drones, FLIR, and SAR teams.
 
  • #31,889
diggndeeperstill said:
I’m replying to myself here to bring up this tweet again where the former police lieutenant suggests the suspect was wearing body armor. I haven’t heard that mentioned anywhere else and I have a hard time seeing it. What do you all think? Just another guy giving his opinion?

Is it possible this appearance was more altered than we believe?
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I could see how one would think this upon 1st seeing lantana man but I think its only because he moves so stiffly and awkward. I just think he isn't naturally athletic or flexible. When he bends down for the lantana it is so awkward because his left leg is straight and slightly in front of him (from my memory). Bend your knee dude because you are struggling with your flexibility to reach the lantana. (He may also be trying to balance the pack on his pack and prevent it from swinging as he isn't using the chest or waist strap. He is simply awkward.
 
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shonyakay said:
Yes, Google backend systems can recover disconnected or deleted Nest camera footage, a capability highlighted by high-profile law enforcement investigations, such as in February 2026, where the FBI retrieved video from a disconnected camera that had no active subscription. I.e. The Nancy Guthrie Case
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That sounds like AI.

Again this footage was recovered from the Google servers. Once it was uploaded from the doorbell, it was irrelevant whether the doorbell was still online or not when it comes to recovery.
 
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TharTrooth said:
Was the man with the two backpacks caught on camera the same night NG went missing ever identified?

Could "Lantana man"s full backpack be explained by him having one bag inside the other? Quite why he would do this is open for debate, and apologies if this person has been identified and cleared

Edited - the man has been identified and cleared
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The man or person ( I was curious if it was a female ?) in the security footage covering up the ring doorbell camera was cleared ??
How did I miss that.
Smh.
So why was he covering up the camera with that plant; and what was he doing the night Nancy was kidnapped, etc.

Did you have a link ?
Thanks in advance.
Omo.
 
  • #31,893
Chimera said:
The man or person ( I was curious if it was a female ?) in the security footage covering up the ring doorbell camera was cleared ??
How did I miss that.
Smh.
So why was he covering up the camera with that plant; and what was he doing the night Nancy was kidnapped, etc.

Did you have a link ?
Thanks in advance.
Omo.
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No, they were asking about a man spotted around 5m away with two backpacks at a similar time. That man was cleared as being involved
 
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oc1234 said:
No, imo. All the click bait and poorly worded media articles are confusing people. They found gloves less than 2 miles from the home that MIGHT be the gloves worn by Lantana man (or someone else involved for all we know). This is the "match" that they made: the gloves look alike), no dna match has been reported. They sent the gloves for testing (in FL) and the testing revealed male dna. This dna will (after some confirmation/science stuff to be performed by FBI:) will be entered into the codis database.

They did separately report that unidentified dna was found in NG's home that didn't belong to any know family/workers/etc. The odd thing is I don't think they have mentioned the testing of the dna found in the home against the dna found on the gloves - which is interesting. are they not the same profile types or....? We also haven't heard if the unidentified NG house dna had a codis match. Maybe they don't have enough for a profile??? Did I miss this?
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All of the confusing information yesterday was cray.

With that said, I still stand by my belief that they might have gotten a partial match that links a piece of evidence (maybe the gloves) or someone in particular to the crime and the FBI are awaiting an official match per Codis.
Like I said - just my belief.
They may need further evidence like a match from Codis to get a search warrant for a person of interest's DNA. I don't know how all of that works though.
 
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IMHO, any disposable glove which has been worn by someone is likely to have DNA on it--even if worn by someone experienced in aseptic technique.
Therefore a commonly available glove that is "similar" to the one worn by the video-perp, which was found almost 2 miles from the crime scene, is likely to have DNA on it and unlikely to have anything to do with the crime--IMHO.
That's NOT to say that it shouldn't have been collected and tested; it just feels like people and the media are hanging their hopes on "this is going to break the case" when in reality it has a miniscule chance of being significant to this investigation, IMHO.
I truly want the test results to be significant and case-breaking.
 
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The president said the abductors would face “very, very severe — the most severe” federal consequences if Nancy Guthrie is found dead after being abducted from her home outside Tucson on Feb. 1.

Asked if that meant the DOJ would request the death penalty, Trump answered: “The most, yeah — that’s true.”

nypost.com

Exclusive | Trump threatens kidnappers with death penalty if Nancy Guthrie isn’t returned alive in call with The Post

In a brief phone interview, Trump said he would instruct the Justice Department to seek the death penalty if the 84-year-old mother of NBC “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie is killed.
nypost.com nypost.com
 
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jtfolden said:
That sounds like AI.

Again this footage was recovered from the Google servers. Once it was uploaded from the doorbell, it was irrelevant whether the doorbell was still online or not when it comes to recovery.
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Just because it was recovered from Google's servers does not mean that it reconnected at NG's house. The camera may have been badly damaged by the suspect, including it's Wi-Fi connection hardware, and then was sent off to Google to see if they could find a way to "reconnect" it or transfer the data from the camera's internal buffer. Google personnel may have been the ones who reconnected it for the transfer of data to their servers.
 
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Eli9 said:
I can understand the legalities surrounding the reward money and its' inability to be used towards this most presumably hoax letter. I do wonder if there is a legal reason prohibiting the G family or anyone else from paying the same dollar amount to this person who is clearly committing a crime by asking for it in exchange for information.
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I don't know the answer about the legality of doing it, but I imagine there's probably a "if we do it this time, it'll become a more common extortion scheme for any high profile crime, and may even increase the number of those crimes" component to it.

JMO.
 
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FaviousM said:
No, they were asking about a man spotted around 5m away with two backpacks at a similar time. That man was cleared as being involved
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Oh, ok.
Thanks for clarifying !

Am just now trying to catch up a bit here as well.
All of you 'sleuthers' here are pages ahead of me.
 
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www.tmz.com

TMZ Receives 4th Nancy Guthrie Demand Email, Come Forward and Tell Us

TMZ has received a 4th email from the man claiming to know who kidnapped Nancy Guthrie and where she is ... and we have a proposition for that person.
www.tmz.com www.tmz.com

When you click on the link, there is a video of Harvey Levin (above written article) discussing this 4th letter, & his proposition to the author of the letter (which is to give the info to TMZ … TMZ will forward to LE … Author of letter gets reward if info is correct, they find Nancy, etc).
 
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