• #31,921
Just because it was recovered from Google's servers does not mean that it reconnected at NG's house. The camera may have been badly damaged by the suspect, including it's Wi-Fi connection hardware, and then was sent off to Google to see if they could find a way to "reconnect" it or transfer the data from the camera's internal buffer. Google personnel may have been the ones who reconnected it for the transfer of data to their servers.
I don’t think anyone has ever suggested the doorbell reconnected after it was removed. LE also never stated they have the doorbell or sent it anywhere either. The video footage of the perp was recovered from Google servers so it had to have been uploaded prior. Even if you don’t have an active subscription, video events and notification data are sent to the server. Up to three hours worth of rolling data might be kept briefly depending on the free plan the hardware was associated with.
 
  • #31,922
I can understand the legalities surrounding the reward money and its' inability to be used towards this most presumably hoax letter. I do wonder if there is a legal reason prohibiting the G family or anyone else from paying the same dollar amount to this person who is clearly committing a crime by asking for it in exchange for information.
Cops pay informants ALL THE TIME! Ever hear the term "paid informant"? Family needs to pay the money. JMO
 
  • #31,923
Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos confirmed "nobody" has been ruled out as a suspect but urged people to avoid spreading "nasty stuff" without concrete evidence.

"If he [Tommaso Cioni] is guilty, if he’s the one who did it, and we’re able to prove that, then at that time jump on it, but don’t come out of nowhere with this," Nanos said in a statement to The Daily Mail on February 15.

He added: "I understand the pundits are out there. They’re gonna say, well, he’s the last one to see her alive. We understand that stuff. But, my goodness, you’re putting a mark on somebody who could be completely innocent. And more important than that, he’s family."
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the case this one reminds me most of is that of Laura Houghteling. And that was a homicide. I think NG was killed in her home, and the body removed for some reason by the killer, probably to remove evidence on her body and buy time.

I don't know about motivation, but it doesn't appear to be theft, at least not of items from the home. It could have a sexual component; Bundy did similar home invasions where he took the victim with him.

I don't think any of the ransom demands are from the kidnapper; I think they are the work of opportunists. A genuine ransom demand would have come in immediately, not hours or days later.

MOO
FYI: As I recall, the murderer in Laura's case was a homeless man who had taken up residence in the parking lot of a church (lived in his car), a block or two from the home where she lived with her mother. He was "off" in some way, either mentally ill or compromised intelligence but Laura's mom had been hiring him to do yard work.

Forensic Files — Season 3, Episode 9 — Beaten by a Hair

Washingtonian: What Happened to Laura Houghteling?
 
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Full statement.

From PCSD: “2/16 GUTHRIE UPDATE
DNA Evidence: The FBI released the statement below on Sunday, February 15:
The gloves found approximately 2 miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the side of the road were packaged up by PCSD and sent overnight on 2/12 and they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2/13. The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2/14 and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male profile into CoDIS, the national database unique to the bureau. This process typically takes 24 hours from when the bureau receives DNA. Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity. The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video. The FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever timeline is provided to us.
Please direct any future inquiries regarding the gloves and potential DNA evidence to the FBI.

Suspect Clothing: PCSD can confirm that the clothing seen in the video may have been purchased from Walmart but is not exclusively available at Walmart. This remains a possibility only. The investigation is ongoing, and information may change as new details develop.

Clarification: PCSD has never stated that this was a burglary gone wrong. Any reports indicating otherwise are inaccurate. This remains a very active investigation.

Briefings / Interviews: No press briefings are scheduled at this time. If a significant development occurs, a press conference will be announced via email and on the @pimasheriff X account.

The Sheriff is granting a limited number of one-on-one interviews. We understand media interest is high; however, due to time constraints, not all requests can be accommodated. We encourage outlets to coordinate with their local affiliates when possible.”

 
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  • #31,928
"Just do the next right thing" common phrase, song, used when someone is overwhelmed or in DEEP
Or, that FBI experts on kidnapping and hostage negotiation told SG exactly what to say to get the best response from the kidnapper. Saying "just do the next right thing" to the perpetrator might give them confidence that SG believes in their goodness, that this was all a terrible mistake and he really is a good guy who usually does the right thing.

SG is appealing to his goodness and his desire to do good things and to continue to do good things.

I think SG's language could possibly make a positive difference with the kidnapper. She's making a good case for why he would return her mother. JMO
 
  • #31,929
"Them" "Mexico" Author of today's note/letter has a record of burglary from 10 years ago. Hmmmmm
Hmmmm indeed.
Also, just pay the money already. If it's a scam, so be it, and hopefully they'll be able catch and prosecute this person.
If it isn't a scam, even better.
Money well spent either way.
This has gone on long enough.
IMO.
 
  • #31,930
Cops pay informants ALL THE TIME! Ever hear the term "paid informant"? Family needs to pay the money. JMO
The family are willing to pay, but they want 'Proof of Life', none has been provided, in fact it sounds like communications have 'broken' down. You have to 'fear' the worse.
 
  • #31,931
Is it correct feds have jurisdiction in ransom cases? Would that mean that if FBI has determined ransom notes are directly connected to NG, they take over?

Just trying to reason though the PCSD/Nanos statements to media the last 48 hoursish and wondering if some of the info leaking/coming is from the FBI and hasn’t been shared with PCSD? While that seems extremely unlikely, I just don’t know what to think.
 
  • #31,932
If the 4 emails were sent to TMZ using whatever people use to hide their IP address I wonder if each time they do this it makes it a little easier for the FBI to track them. I sure hope so. If they do have valid info I want them found. If they don’t I still want them found and prosecuted. JMO
 
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NewsNation is reporting live that the signal sniffer helicopter is currently flying over Nancy Guthrie's home and surrounding area.
Excellent.
 
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They did separately report that unidentified dna was found in NG's home that didn't belong to any know family/workers/etc. The odd thing is I don't think they have mentioned the testing of the dna found in the home against the dna found on the gloves - which is interesting. are they not the same profile types or....? We also haven't heard if the unidentified NG house dna had a codis match. Maybe they don't have enough for a profile??? Did I miss this?

The sheriff said that unidentified DNA was found on NG's "property," but he wouldn't say if it was found in the home or outside the home. In the following linked article, he is quoted as saying that the unknown DNA found on the property was not a CoDIS match.


Authorities in Arizona have found DNA belonging to someone other than Nancy Guthrie or those in close contact with her on her property.

Sheriff Chris Nanos of Pima County, Arizona, confirmed this to NewsNation during a Friday evening appearance on “Elizabeth Vargas Reports.”

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The sheriff said the DNA was collected from the crime scene the morning investigators processed Nancy Guthrie’s home but declined to specify whether it was found inside or outside the house. The DNA has not matched anyone in CODIS, the national database for people convicted of crimes.
 
  • #31,937
No the FBI said the glove sent for testing is different from the searchers gloves:


The FBI says investigators collected “approximately 16 gloves in various areas” near the Guthrie house, but most of them were searchers’ gloves discarded in various areas when they searched the area.

According to the FBI, the one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

SOURCE: Guthrie disappearance could be result of burglary attempt

imo

No the FBI said the glove sent for testing is different from the searchers gloves:


The FBI says investigators collected “approximately 16 gloves in various areas” near the Guthrie house, but most of them were searchers’ gloves discarded in various areas when they searched the area.

According to the FBI, the one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

SOURCE: Guthrie disappearance could be result of burglary attempt

imo
I think you may have misread my post. I said nothing about the "searchers" gloves.
I referred to the single glove found which is similar to the perp gloves, and which was sent for testing.
 
  • #31,938
Is it correct feds have jurisdiction in ransom cases? Would that mean that if FBI has determined ransom notes are directly connected to NG, they take over?

Just trying to reason though the PCSD/Nanos statements to media the last 48 hoursish and wondering if some of the info leaking/coming is from the FBI and hasn’t been shared with PCSD? While that seems extremely unlikely, I just don’t know what to think.
Yes, feds have jurisdiction in ransom cases and FBI is running that part of this investigation. MOO
 
  • #31,939
NewsNation is reporting live that the signal sniffer helicopter is currently flying over Nancy Guthrie's home and surrounding area.
I like finding out info like this but at the same time, I wonder if whoever did this is also finding out this same stuff
 
  • #31,940
So frustrating. We have man on camera which shows visible eyes and general body type/height; a forensic sketch; a bunch of clothing/equipment to track down the purchasing of; unknown DNA in the home; a glove which looks like the one porch guy is wearing with DNA on it; a man who apparently spent over 40 minutes in the home; video/camera of a truck/suv which is suspected to be kidnappers', etc. We are three weeks into this. So many clues. So little results.
 
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