Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Pharmasgirl · Feb 17, 2026

SMK777 said:
Yes, those.

Why they refer to him as Lantana!

EyeCandy · Feb 17, 2026

Notthisshipsister said:
Me either, especially at that time of night. And as the homeowner, I'd think that NG would question why someone was standing there with a fistful of whatever from my walkway. I would hope that she at least had a peephole on her door.

there are glass panels on each side of the door as well. Would a peep hole work with that steel door? The mesh looks so tight.

SMK777 · Feb 17, 2026

DizzyB said:
Escape could have been first and foremost, with the elimination of a witness occurring after the fact, far away.

What do you mean?

Moonchime · Feb 17, 2026

cathathorse said:
I'm not sure if this is the neighbor who lost power, but this neighbor is a pretty big gemologist and has a public role in the Tucson gemology show. I am beginning to think that perhaps the suspect went to the wrong house.

That's a possibility. The Tucson Gem and Mineral Show features a lot of high-dollar jewelry and one-of-a-kind gemstones. Perhaps they meant to go to the house next door. This case is baffling.

Donswife48 · Feb 17, 2026

keek said:
No, he was looking to the side rock beds for something when having trouble getting the camera off it appeared, then went back a bit and saw the weeds, grabbed them and tried to use those as 'friction' as his gloves were not doing it, thick and cumbersome and a rubbery material. He was not offering her flowers dressed like that or trying to hide the camera. His face was right in it. IMO

I agree, and he wouldn't be offering flowers at 2am. JMO

Forest_Wood · Feb 17, 2026

dbm - already mentioned several times by others

Former Reporter · Feb 17, 2026

Andreee said:
Actually, one of the rules is we aren't supposed to make posts about the rules ourselves, basically acting like a mod. Rather, we are supposed to just report the post that isn't kosher. I should've done that too come to think of it, lol.

I thought I was being helpful but if I inadvertently broke a rule by linking to the rules, I sincerely apologize. Just trying to make sure that the thread stays on track.

Scooby-Doo · Feb 17, 2026

This has always been my thought from day one: a targeted, premeditated attack. But we wait and see....

“I believe that was a kidnapping, targeted kidnapping. I believe whoever did that knew what they were up to, knew who they were after,” the Arizona sheriff said.

Pima County Sheriff Tells Fox News He Believes Nancy Guthrie Is Victim of ‘Targeted Kidnapping’ - NewsBreak

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos told Fox News on Tuesday that he believes 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie is the victim of a “targeted kidnapping” as the search

www.newsbreak.com

VenturaJen · Feb 17, 2026

VenturaJen said:
The protocol would be a search warrant to access the databases. It would be a long court case. I do not know about 23andme or heritage, however ancestry.com has successfully quashed MANY search warrants for

Cassie P said:
Seems like a long shot for sure. Maybe it's all they have right now.

Idreamofgenie said:
I.

I’ve submitted my DNA to every possible database (even some no longer in business). If given the chance, I “opt in” for LE to use my DNA for forensic genealogy. Glad to help!

I have been a genealogist before the internet and started with ancestry.com when membership was very small. One reason their database is so vast is directly related to their policy in not allowing the database to be shared (LE, med. Insurance etc). Even inside ancestry, you can make your results private. I also uploaded my DNA into GED to be helpful. It only takes one and you get genetic info on two separate families (mother/father). But if you track those two parents…..the information expounds.
Those like me that have used reversed genealogy to reunite adoptees and birth families, identify John/Jane Does and now perpetrators in crime know how valuable these databases are. Still, if you came to ancestry, paid money for their specific test, understanding that it does not go beyond their walls 20 years ago or yesterday, could be problematic if they changed their policy. How ancestry keeps a secure wall is only allowing DNA result from tests purchased by them and sent by to them. Otherwise, any LE could just upload a sus DNA. Ancestry does not allow outside uploads.

Gunther Toody · Feb 17, 2026

DizzyB said:
It makes more sense to me. Maybe he thought the house was empty, maybe he thought he could get in and out without waking up the resident. He may not have intended to murder, and everything went sideways while he was inside. Escape could have been first and foremost, with the elimination of a witness occurring after the fact, far away.

The fear of getting caught makes people think irrationally and their behavior reflects that. If NG recognized his voice or look from a previous encounter, possibly as a lawn or pool maintenance guy for example, he would probably have panicked.

He either flees or takes the NG with him until he can decide what to do with her.
I believe he left her somewhere in the desert, possibly tied up, and did so very quickly after the event. All my opinion, of course.

Andreee · Feb 17, 2026

Former Reporter said:
I thought I was being helpful but if I inadvertently broke a rule by linking to the rules, I sincerely apologize. Just trying to make sure that the thread stays on track.

Its ok, i will delete my reply if i can

Andreee · Feb 17, 2026

aafromaa · Feb 17, 2026

maskedwoman said:
I'm not the professional of course, but it would seem more useful to do the genetic genealogy on the unknown DNA found in the house. MOO

Agreed. If it had matched the DNA in the house it might have given a direction of travel but since it did not then it really is of no value to the investigation to have found it 2 miles from her house. IMHO

Monepone · Feb 17, 2026

PayrollNerd said:
I’m not sure it’s too late, depends on the type of system the neighbors have. Neighbors could have been out of town or unwell for some time and not available to look at their systems.

My Ring camera app caught a truck taking a turn that looked like it was on two wheels. But when I went in on my laptop, the video was longer and actually took out my neighbors mailbox. I gave my neighbor the video so the truck company replaced her mailbox.

I've changed cameras and canceled my Ring subscriptions, but AFAIK and remember Ring's default cloud expiration is 60 days (after which it is deleted) if you have a subscription. However, users can change that to a much shorter time period if they want. Ring flood light cameras do not have local storage. If you have no subscription, no video is saved just like nest. In theory though, video is saved, they just delete/overwrite it instead of saving it according to your preferences.

LRinCA · Feb 17, 2026

factseeking said:
Here is the video from NBC News pointing out what could be a ring on the glove at 0:45

New clues in search for Nancy Guthrie

The Pima County sheriff says DNA from a glove found two miles from Nancy Guthrie’s home does not match profiles in the national database, but that DNA taken from her property could belong to a suspect. NBC News’ Liz Kreutz reports.

www.nbcnews.com

Does it look like a horseshoe-shaped ring to anyone else?

ETA: JMO - MOO

This is a screenshot from the link (New clues in search for Nancy Guthrie):

DizzyB · Feb 17, 2026

SMK777 said:
What do you mean?

I don’t think he intended to kidnap. I also don’t think he intended to murder. I think ultimately Nancy’s life was taken, but neither was his goal that night. I think of Suzanne Morphew and her supposed bicycle ride, missing Gabby Petito, so many who were found long after.

Derdew · Feb 17, 2026

penguinface said:
If anyone remembers the guy interviewed at least twice, who some people in this thread found a tad suspicious, and who was calling himself a “neighbour” while trying to push the blame on TC, there appears to be someone in Tucson with the same first name as him and whose last name relates to Friday night’s SWAT events. Could be complete coincidence, of course, but if so, it’s an interesting one all the same.

JMO

Omg if I recall correctly, that’s the same neighbor wearing a ring similar to lantana man ring!

VenturaJen · Feb 17, 2026

VenturaJen said:
I have been a genealogist before the internet and started with ancestry.com when membership was very small. One reason their database is so vast is directly related to their policy in not allowing the database to be shared (LE, med. Insurance etc). Even inside ancestry, you can make your results private. I also uploaded my DNA into GED to be helpful. It only takes one and you get genetic info on two separate families (mother/father). But if you track those two parents…..the information expounds.
Those like me that have used reversed genealogy to reunite adoptees and birth families, identify John/Jane Does and now perpetrators in crime know how valuable these databases are. Still, if you came to ancestry, paid money for their specific test, understanding that it does not go beyond their walls 20 years ago or yesterday, could be problematic if they changed their policy. How ancestry keeps a secure wall is only allowing DNA result from tests purchased by them and sent by to them. Otherwise, and LE could just upload a sus DNA. Ancestry does not allow outside uploads.

I encourage people who may not be interested in genealogy but interested in solving mysteries, cold cases, identifying Doe victims - to consider DNA Justice that CeCe Moore discussed on her interviews this week (NewsNation I think). This database is specifically for bringing closure to families of crime. It is important because CODIS and other LE are limited in when or how they can collect. The private population does not have these restrictions. For every one person who participates…the knowledge gleaned is expounded and could create an entirely different crime rate if perps understood how easily they could be found….meaning a deterrent even before the crime is in mind. JMO

SMK777 · Feb 17, 2026

DizzyB said:
I don’t think he intended to kidnap. I also don’t think he intended to murder. I think ultimately Nancy’s life was taken, but neither was his goal that night. I think of Suzanne Morphew and her supposed bicycle ride, missing Gabby Petito, so many who were found long after.

Ok, yes, agreed.

suzet · Feb 17, 2026

HerNameWasBuffy said:
Definitely rare, but it brings to mind the Dermond murders from several years ago. Elderly couple in their 80s, he was murdered and decapitated and she was abducted. IIRC her body was eventually found having been dumped in a lake.

No motive, looked at family but nothing, no known enemies, etc. Elderly couple in a very affluent gated community, to this day no one knows who did it or why. Brutal attack and no answers.

I hope in this case the family gets answers. JMO

MOO
I’m not familiar with the Dermond case, but I realized something when I read your post.
Previously, my two different theories involved:
1. Angry service worker from Nancy’s house who wanted revenge.
2. Robbery “gone wrong.” We do not know for certain whether anything was taken from the house or not.

Also, I have always thought all the ransom demands were fake so I don’t pay attention to them.

Now reading your post about the Derrmond couple murder, I see another theory I hadn’t considered.
3. I hate to say it… One of those evil criminals having no motive, other than they wanted to kill.
The lowest of low type of creature that can describe how they killed someone, with zero emotion, as if they were reading a menu. Sometimes they will say while confessing, “I knew I wanted to kill someone.”

So when I read your post, it reminded me that there is that remote possibility and the worthless coward wanted an easy target. I sure hope this is not the case here.
These are my opinions only.

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