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If you went out of your way to grab a thicker piece it might, but he just pawed a clump so I don't think that's what he was after. Weird as it is, I believe he was trying to cover the camera with the plant.
I also think that’s what he was doing: trying to hang the clump from the top of the camera.

I just see a lot of posts about the suspect using the lantana to remove the Nest, and I’d love to substantiate or discount that idea if possible.

Someone out there must have lantana, a Nest doorbell, and some gloves for an experiment!
 
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Additionally, we have no idea it it's a real gun.

I've been using, collecting, working with, and shooting firearms for over 30 years and I can't tell from the dark, blurry footage what handle and profile that is (most assume small frame semi auto). Many gun guys speculating on gun forums, including professionals are also in disagreement.

Since there was no known discharge at the scene or even brandishing of the said gun on video footage it is just as possible that it is not a live firearm, that it is a replica or airsoft, etc.. This would jive with the masked man seemingly using it for intimidation and coercion with his front and center strange version of appendix carry as he approached the front door. It would also jive with the entire cheap get-up, where it seemed like he threw together what he could get easily.

It would also jive to me why he did not seem suited to actually use the firearm if he had to (defending homeowner, security guard that spotted him) based on it almost falling out of the mismatched holster, and the notion that he couldn't even draw effectively or put his finger in the trigger guard with his clumsy PPE gloves. And if he knew the target was an elderly lady living alone in a secluded neighborhood he would not be worried about resistance that would require the use of an actual firearm.

So many unknowns and assumptions still in this case.
Important observations, thanks 👍.
 
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Did you already discuss the book that SG released in feb24 where she talks about a kidnapping game her aunt used to play with her and her sister?
Thank you!! I was waiting to hear something like that!! Quoting my own post again:

‘After many hours of research of everything we know, of almost everything available open - source, I have a completely different thought of what the motive is in this case.

The discovery of the possible ring on the suspects right hand may be a dead giveaway. Someone will or has already recognized it IMO. For the subject to wear the ring during the crime, it must have significance to them. Why risk losing it? Or did he know he would not take his glove(s) off and therefore he would keep his precious ring on. He was not planning on going through drawers, trying to open a safe (if there was one) with his clumsy gloves.

No, not a burglary gone wrong, but taking or hurting a specific person with the intention to further hurt another family member - SG. ALL IMO- MOO etc.

The subject committed this crime to hurt SG. He wants SG to feel fear, despair and see her feel hopeless. The subject may have experienced loss in his own family - perhaps several losses- and something SG did, said or wrote may not have sit well with the subject. The subject has mental and or health issues IMO and has a deranged mind.

Tracing family lineage through DNA will solve this case hopefully soon. Whether we will know about Nancy Guthrie’s whereabouts ands state is another question. The hope dies last..’

Cheers,
Nin
 
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I'm wondering -- could it be a thumbnail from a notification on January 11?? Could that be why they're looking for video from that night?


JMO

Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking!
 
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SG wanted her mother either deceased or alive.
When SG used the term celebrate her mom that was my impression as well.
 
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DBM
 
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In this case, there were FBI ( walking)searchers sent to look on ground, but from the video I saw, not super thorough ( no shade). They couldn't really get into some of the brush, a combo of sharp cacti, tumbleweed, vines, not easy to look under.


Good point. This also makes me wonder if the culprit(s) would have the same amount of trouble hiding her under all that?

Idk, I’m someone who really dislikes a desert environment, and am unfamiliar with how tough vs. easy it would be for someone accustomed to it. I guess they’d have tools, but so would LE, although they’d have to look everywhere while the criminals know where they placed Nancy (if that is the dreaded outcome).

JMO and ignorance about this.
 
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Some things that are noticeable about the face of the suspect from a video still image:
- The distance between the eyes (intercanthal distance - ICD) appears slightly wider than normal. This distance between the inner 'corners' of the eye in an adult is normally 28-35mm. If wider, its called telecanthus or hypertelorism depending on the etiology. A well known example of this is Jackie Kennedy who had hypertelorism (photo attached).
- Their eyebrows don't end where we would expect them to, which is normally in line with the inner corner of the eyes (unless the eyebrow extends across to the other side, i.e. a unibrow). So either they have a unibrow or they are wearing another mask or beanie/swimming cap/skull cap under the outer balacava (looks like this one maybe from walmart A knitted mask 3 Hole Ski Mask Winter Warmer Full Face Balaclava Outdoor Sports Thermal Cap for Men Women - Walmart.com).
- They appear to have what is called a positive canthal tilt meaning that the outer corner of the eye is angled upward relative to the inner corner of the eye (which is hard to see for sure), but definitely above the center of the pupil. Reference image below.
- Lastly, they do not appear to have excess upper eyelid skin as we would see with an individual in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc. This is evident by the lighter appearing crease that is visible above the lash line on the right side of the image (left side of the person's face). This indicates that they are likely younger (20s, 30's, maybe 40's). Men generally start to exhibit extra upper eyelid skin in their 40's and 50's that gets worse with age and will obscure the lash line. But here we can see the entire lash line all the way across the eyelid and some eyelid skin above it.

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His face is so smooshed in by the mask, that he barely appears to have a nose!
 
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I'm leery of thinking that any data retrieved from Nancy's cameras display multiple dates and events considering she has no subscription. Anybody an expert?
 
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I also heard this. But he seems to run woth things too quickly, IMO. Just a while ago he heard there was FBI at the neighbors house and expressed it verbally on his live stream. He went down there to check it out right away and proved it was just plumbers. But he is definitely verbalizing a lot before finding out of its true.
Which is why he isn't a trusted source like Brian Entin is.
 
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Totally a possibility, but the intruder(s) spent a fair amount of forethought putting together an ensemble that was tucked in, potentially multi-layered, removed cameras, brought a full backpack containing something bulky/puffy (took up the entire space and probably and fairly lightweight because it seems to stay put as the perp bends over -- if it was heavy, I would expect it to fall to one side more). Gems are not that big unless they are geodes. The blood trail seems to end at the front walkway so that insinuates that a car or vehicle of some kind was possibly backed up to the walkway. Just seems odd that such a seemingly planned event would wind up being them breaking into the wrong house. Whoops, what a big faux pas that would be. And then happenstancing onto NG alone (a female, whereas the gem expert is male) in the middle of night and deciding to remove her from the home. Wouldn't the just bolt from the house and leave NG there in whatever state if they were like oh shoot, wrong house, no gems here!? I think early on it was mentioned nothing was stolen, besides NG. Plus, I can't imagine this gem expert has prize gems just sitting on the coffee table like a paper weight. They'd probably be in a safe if there at all. Just because one studies something, doesn't mean they keep that thing in their house either. Just seems less likely of a scenario to me. The lantana man does seem to amble around and improvise with yard vegetation, but that doesn't mean that the event was not carefully planned.
Excellent observation about the movement of the backpack (or lack of movement) IMO
 
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DBM - incorrect link
 
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@Mistermagoo Yes, I watched that video. That's not a source on 40 people being tracked by holster purchases. The LGS owner simply said they came with a three page list of approx. 40 names and asked him to check them against gun purchases from the past year. And it does not mean 40 suspects as Nanos clarified the other day. Many speculated only a few names are actually relevant POIs, and the rest are random baselines as with a suspect pool line-up.

It is my understanding that it has been said that the 40 pics of people were from 40 different people that purchased the holster recently at local stores.

There is no source for the list being based on holster purchases, which how would they know since there are many holsters exactly like that sold online and in thrift shops for decades. The Walmart holster is just a guess and we don't know if they traced those purchases, that's what I was asking a source for. What they are asking the gun store owner was to see if the suspect pool list purchased a gun, which is a long-shot. Back-tracing an indistinguishable common revolver holster that's been around and sold for decades will be much harder and they simply do not know if that was the Walmart brand some speculated (like I said I posted the same exact holster sold by another brand online at the popular MidwayUSA).
 
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Which is why he isn't a trusted source like Brian Entin is.
Agreed! Brian Entin is definitely the most reliable source to go by, judging by every case I have followed that he has been involved with! Truly a caring, genuine person, IMO!
 
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Did you already discuss the book that SG released in feb24 where she talks about a kidnapping game her aunt used to play with her and her sister?
this is what has swung me back to thinking it could be some deranged SG stalker. but i don't know.

moo
 
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