Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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SRWCF said:
You are probably right about that. I think a ground search by the public in the early days certainly wouldn't have hurt the investigation. I mean, in situations such as these, people really, really want to help and this would have been a good way to allow that to happen.

As a sidenote, I had a dream the other night that they found NG alive and she was being hidden in the desert in an underground tunnel / cave. This means I'm either a visionary, or I'm consuming too much social media on this case!
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No. You are not. There are many elaborate tunnels running underground between border states and Mexico built by the cartels. They are lighted and some they have found had air conditioning. I personally think she went through or is in a tunnel. imo imo
 
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Gemmie said:
I'm also not seeing a gun in front of his crotch. Cropped from the images in your EXCELLENT post. You can see it in the image on the right, but not the one on the left.

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Here's the same image showing their entire bodies. Also noticed that the guy on the right has that head light thing on, the other guy does not.

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In the backpackless image, the suspect's physique is more apparent to me: a slight paunch/gut and not much in the way of pecs. The sort of skinny-fat look those of us in our 30s and 40s struggle to fight!
 
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mzufall said:
I could be wrong and mixing up cases im following, but I think Nanos did make a statement toward the beginning that he did not believe there to be any danger to the community, that it was their belief this was targeted. Again, I could be wrong. But I THINK it was mentioned early on.
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Bbm.
Agreed with your comment, that's what I recall from early on ?
There's the possibility that the wrong house was targeted if gems were sought-- but still a planned abduction and not random, imo.
 
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SRWCF said:
I feel like there were no organized ground searches in Tucson where the public was involved because the sheriff came out immediately and adamantly stated that this was an obvious abduction and not a case of an elderly woman wandering off. I think that statement alone pretty much put the kibosh on anyone from the public wanting to organize one of those grid type searches you often see take place in the case of a missing person.
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I can see the reasoning behind this - but dang — someone might have found something!! Anything.
 
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JMO I think the person who entered the house went there to kidnap NG and succeeded. The bag may have held items he might need to capture and keep her silent.
 
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aamillaa said:
I find the timeline of this weird. Like surely the neighbor wouldn’t have called much earlier than AG? I’m not understanding a window where APS would’ve shown up and left a card. Bc it seems like LE would’ve already been on the scene, so wouldn’t APS have just checked in with LE? Why leave the card?

The only way this makes sense to me is if APS was there before cops were called. Bc even if they somehow would’ve arrived before LE, AG would’ve been there. Very tight window assuming the card was left bc no one else was at the house. MOO
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It’s reasonable that APS is alerted by LE whenever a senior is reported missing, a mandated procedure. Just because the card was left in the door doesn’t necessarily indicate no one was at the house, just that they weren’t invited in to talk family members who were present so the agent left their calling card. Understandably, APS intervention was not a priority then or now.
JMO

www.usatoday.com

How long has Nancy Guthrie been missing? See updated timeline of case

The 'Today' host's mother remains missing amid a desperate search.
www.usatoday.com

“That morning, Guthrie failed to show up at a friend's house to watch a church service online, as she routinely did, so they called her daughter, Annie, who lives nearby, a source close to the family told NBC News.

At 11:56 a.m., the family arrived to check on her, calling 911 at 12:03 to report her missing. Patrol cars arrived at 12:15 p.m. and the search for Guthrie begins.
 
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Wait a minute, didn't Nanos say previously there was no evidence Nancy was taken over the border and they have no reason to believe she's in Mexico and now the FBI has put Mexican authorities on alert? Are these agencies even communicating because it feels like there's two separate investigations going on.

I also noticed Levin used the singular "kidnapper" and Sheriff Nanos said "individual with a target" in his most recent interview. Are we to surmise this was a lone wolf? It seems like it would take more than one person to pull this off, especially if they smuggled Nancy into Mexico, but I could be wrong. JMO.
 
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JLR IS NOT ALLOWED as a source and is off topic in discussion.
 
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Nancy Guthrie suspect could be identified 'in a matter of hours'

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos insists that the search for missing Nancy Guthrie is 'far from cold' despite no arrests being made 18 days into her disappearance.
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"...A suspect in the Nancy Guthrie investigation could be identified within two days amid a renewed probe into DNA evidence, a former FBI special agent predicted.

Despite the search for the 84-year-old mother of Today Show star Savannah Guthrie nearing three weeks without any arrests, John Iannarelli said investigators may be closing in...."

Would be nice if Iannarelli is accurate ??
Of course take this source with the proverbial grain. :rolleyes:

There's also this :

"... Amid mounting pressure on his handling of the investigation, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos insisted on Tuesday that the case is 'far from cold' despite no arrests being made 18 days into Nancy's disappearance.
The sheriff leading the search for missing Nancy Guthrie is facing mounting allegations that his mismanagement crippled the crucial early stages of the investigation ..... a vital search-and-rescue aircraft was grounded in the initial hours of the investigation when it was needed most..."

There is also the impression I have, that sheriff Nanos and the FBI are not on the same page, and it's frustrating when an elderly woman's life is at stake !
Smh.
Omo
 
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densogirl said:
JMO I think the person who entered the house went there to kidnap NG and succeeded. The bag may have held items he might need to capture and keep her silent.
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Sometimes it is not all smoke and mirrors, it is what it appears to be
 
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I wonder if recent Uber drivers, or car service drivers, have been interviewed. Statistically most are OK, like any group of people, but someone took NG. A hired driver could make friendly, casual conversation, find out she lived alone, had no dog, and could watch or help her get in or out of the car, seeing she couldn't move easily. It would only take a bad guy one trip to make a plan, ugh.

Did AG/TC always drive her home from places at night, or did NG order her own Ubers/cabs?
 
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AuntTricia said:
If the abductor arrived by vehicle, wouldn't someone on NG's street would have ring camera footage? Maybe it didn't pick up the license plate number but maybe they have a make, model and color? How long was it before LE released the info about the white Hyundai Elantra in the BK case?
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While that sounds like a good plan for most neighborhoods, I don't think that would work with the layout of NG's. The plants and rocks in the yards make things much more secluded than a neighborhood in other areas that just has grass in the front yard. Here is Brian Entin in front of NG's and he has a similar video at AG's home and the landscaping of both streets look the same.
https://twitter.com/x/status/2019904171689013478
 
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"Outside of the DNA, we’re also learning more about about what police are looking for. Males with facial hair who match the physical characteristics seen on Nancy’s Nest video — who may have recently purchased guns and have shopped at Walmart."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023932641926648154
 
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ChiaPet said:
While that sounds like a good plan for most neighborhoods, I don't think that would work with the layout of NG's. The plants and rocks in the yards make things much more secluded than a neighborhood in other areas that just has grass in the front yard. Here is Brian Entin in front of NG's and he has a similar video at AG's home and the landscaping of both streets look the same.
https://twitter.com/x/status/2019904171689013478
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DBM. Didn’t see the date. Sorry.
 
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VegasGirl35 said:
Wait a minute, didn't Nanos say previously there was no evidence Nancy was taken over the border and they have no reason to believe she's in Mexico and now the FBI has put Mexican authorities on alert? Are these agencies even communicating because it feels like there's two separate investigations going on.

I also noticed Levin used the singular "kidnapper" and Sheriff Nanos said "individual with a target" in his most recent interview. Are we to surmise this was a lone wolf? It seems like it would take more than one person to pull this off, especially if they smuggled Nancy into Mexico, but I could be wrong. JMO.
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I also find it interesting that the second series of letters from an alleged "informant" demanding 1 bitcoin in exchange for info claimed "get ready to go international".

It seems like every single TMZ letter is from the same person creating an intricate storyline pretending to be the kidnapper, witness/informant, and back to kidnapper.

OR

the initial ransom was real and the informant, trying to get 1 bitcoin, really did know the kidnapper and did see them in Mexico 6 days ago.

I don't know what to believe anymore at this point. IMO
 
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joe jones said:
I am critiquing not criticizing but once again I see LE going into NG house with no protective coverings to preserve what to me is a crime scene, no matter how many times LE says it isn't,

IMO they should go back to day 1 and do a complete forensic reexamination of her home and property, the crime scene is the only place at the moment where there is any possible evidence, and fresh eyes may see or find something new which could move the case forward
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Sheriff Nanos said LE was in Nancy's home collecting evidence and such for 20 hours. That is a significant time.

I still don't understand why they didn't take that doormat though.
 
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Mistermagoo said:
Sometimes it is not all smoke and mirrors, it is what it appears to be
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Maybe. I've always thought two people, but maybe she was able to walk out and not be carried????? jmo
 
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