• #37,041
Did anybody watch BEs report last night? He had a retired FBI that explained that FBI has jurisdiction the same as the SD. It was interesting. He called it presumptive jurisdiction and explained any time a person is kidnapped and missing 24 hours, it's assumed they crossed state lines and becomes FBI jurisdiction.

Not sure it's relevant but it was interesting.


 
  • #37,042
He explained that it takes an extra step out of the process. All of the evidence they collected from the home was sent to the Florida lab.
Also all of the buccal swabs that were taken from family, friends, aquantiances were all sent there as well.

The sheriff immediately sent all crime scene DNA to the Florida lab. By the time the FBI came( day 3), FBI recommended Quantico, but the sheriff had already started at FL lab, Sheriff didn’t want to switch horses. There was more to it, if someone can find the video? Posted way back.

Most think FBI lab would be quicker, more affective. Anyway, the DNA results are coming along. The samples are big enough to double up if they need to, FL lab, plus FBI lab.
Hoping to identify the perp soon. 🙏

JMO
 
  • #37,043
I would say it's an assumption that AG would call her mother to ask her to take an Uber. Perhaps, NG offered to take an Uber to go to AG's house to maintain her independence. Who knows? Why are we even delving into conjectures about family dynamics?

As far as I'm concerned, LE has cleared the Guthrie family, and that's where it stands. I don't think it's fair to try to find a fifth leg on a cat just because it's a slow news night. Everyone is frustrated, and NG's entire family isn't sitting around having fun while this is unfolding.

  • They have been victims of a crime.
  • Their mother might be dead and her body can't be found.
  • Their mother might be alive and suffering.
  • Perfect strangers feel completely comfortable dissecting presence, absence, silence, words just because SG is a journalist and a public figure.
  • Every time the phone rings they have to hold their breath waiting to see if there are any news.
These are adult children of an elderly woman who has been abducted and suffered an act of violence in her home. She's disappeared. She might never be found. They have to deal with this as her children, but also as the parents of her grandchildren and with the whole world watching.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of whatever it is each and every one of us believes in, stop speculating about the family? Put yourselves in their shoes for a second.

Imagine that once (in the most banal way) you did something to a parent, whether it's tell them to go to CVS themselves, or take an Uber, or not call until after 9 a.m. because you want to sleep in, or not answer the phone because you were just not in the mood, and then...Lord help us...something happens to that parent and the whole world starts speculating about how crappy you were to them and maybe you had something to do with what has happened.

My mother has been dead, of natural causes, for nearly ten years, and I still torture myself about the times I rolled my eyes at her chatter. Do we REALLY think that her children are not completely floored by the little things they did/didn't do while NG is missing?

These people, famous though they may be, are dealing with their mother's disappearance, and 100% guaranteed they have revisited every what if ad nauseam...all while the whole world is watching. There is not a bit of peace available to them right now, and it's heartbreaking.

Everyone has different opinions. Some of us want answers to one thing that may not be significant to someone else’s perspective.

Everyone has the right to share their thoughts here, and no one can dictate what others post.

I can appreciate your passionate perspective, beyond that it isn’t my place to tell you what to post. It’s the nature of a public forum.

Of the forum, I can attest to knowing that no one wants to inflict hardship on the family.
 
  • #37,044
  • #37,045

I'm still 50 pages behind, but has the bloody rock been discussed?
And if neighbors are finding this evidence before LE, it seems like they should welcome the assistance but that's JMO, MOO, etc.
 
  • #37,046
I found a clip. BE said the card on the door was placed Monday (February 2) or Tuesday (February 3).

For context -
LE released the crime scene around 9:00 in the morning on Monday February 2, 2026. After processing the scene for 20 hours.

APS card placed sometime Monday or Tuesday.

Amazon package placed at Nancy's door Monday evening at 6:00 p.m.

 
  • #37,047
I can’t see video either, but scroll down and it says this, confirming what @ilgirl posted:

“Entin says a member of his crew saw a person leave the card at the residence after Guthrie disappeared.”

I can't see a video on the link (maybe because I'm in Canada?) but THANK GOODNESS! I recall him saying this that first week and had looked everywhere, but it may have been a live hit and just no clip anywhere because it really so very insignificant. Other than she was actually able to walk up to the house, like the amazon delivery guy and media, IMO
You should be able to see it broken down by question now here:
 
  • #37,048
I find this really odd- I understand LE needs to maintain a PR/Legal stance to protect people's private property. However, a volunteer search party most likely would be aiding the search by looking at open uninhabited land (areas LE has yet to look at). I highly doubt they'd go trampling in and around people's homes/yards (since investigators already looked here) JMO.

I'm so confused about this. Is this the same thing as the report that people who want to search have been told they have to have a permit from Pima County?
The permit issue was denied by Pima County saying they don't even issue permits for searching (this denial is in the Media/Maps forum p#146 but I have no idea how to link it here). Or are these two separate issues?
 
  • #37,049
I remember in the Delphi case, one tip that came in, was entered into the database and was missed for years. Thus the delay in identifying the perp. I believe it was due to who it was reported to, how it was entered, sorted, cataloged or something to that effect. JMO because I didn't follow that case in depth so I'm going off memory.

When I read the headline about LE telling people to stop calling 911 with their suggestions, opinions, theories, or whatever they were speculating on, it made me think of how the tips are being tracked.

In this case the sheer volume of tips have to be entered into software, at least I would think so. I know from working in Excel for decades, sorting data and putting it into tables and picking pieces out to put into a chart, is very involved.

I wonder if they have people entering the information, someone verifying it was not only entered, but entered accurately and sorted and maintained with proper spellings of names, streets, etc. It has to be overwhelming and very stressful on the data team.
IMO that's where the FBI excels. Possibly state law enforcement too.

Did the sheriff's office ask people to stop calling in tips? Not as far as I know. Investigators will always welcome concrete, productive information. I think investigators may wish to reduce the volume of frivolous, un-useful information and suggestions . As you say, the amount of manhours required to record, track, and evaluate vague or irrelevant tips hinders their ability to develop leads from actionable information.
 
  • #37,050
I would say it's an assumption that AG would call her mother to ask her to take an Uber. Perhaps, NG offered to take an Uber to go to AG's house to maintain her independence. Who knows? Why are we even delving into conjectures about family dynamics?

As far as I'm concerned, LE has cleared the Guthrie family, and that's where it stands. I don't think it's fair to try to find a fifth leg on a cat just because it's a slow news night. Everyone is frustrated, and NG's entire family isn't sitting around having fun while this is unfolding.

  • They have been victims of a crime.
  • Their mother might be dead and her body can't be found.
  • Their mother might be alive and suffering.
  • Perfect strangers feel completely comfortable dissecting presence, absence, silence, words just because SG is a journalist and a public figure.
  • Every time the phone rings they have to hold their breath waiting to see if there are any news.
These are adult children of an elderly woman who has been abducted and suffered an act of violence in her home. She's disappeared. She might never be found. They have to deal with this as her children, but also as the parents of her grandchildren and with the whole world watching.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of whatever it is each and every one of us believes in, stop speculating about the family? Put yourselves in their shoes for a second.

Imagine that once (in the most banal way) you did something to a parent, whether it's tell them to go to CVS themselves, or take an Uber, or not call until after 9 a.m. because you want to sleep in, or not answer the phone because you were just not in the mood, and then...Lord help us...something happens to that parent and the whole world starts speculating about how crappy you were to them and maybe you had something to do with what has happened.

My mother has been dead, of natural causes, for nearly ten years, and I still torture myself about the times I rolled my eyes at her chatter. Do we REALLY think that her children are not completely floored by the little things they did/didn't do while NG is missing?

These people, famous though they may be, are dealing with their mother's disappearance, and 100% guaranteed they have revisited every what if ad nauseam...all while the whole world is watching. There is not a bit of peace available to them right now, and it's heartbreaking.
75% to 80% of victims are killed by someone they know. I am holding out hope NG is still alive and also wish people on social media would moderate themselves but this outcome is usually the case. FBI Supplementary Homicide Data
 
  • #37,051
  • #37,052
You should be able to see it broken down by question now here:
Video is apparently blocked for international users, but their YouTube channel has quite a few of the clips already and perhaps will post the whole thing soon.

 
  • #37,053
View attachment 647370
This is disgraceful!

The Governor or Attorney General should be brought in

They need to stand this Sheriff down

Let the FBI take full control now

Personally, I would be taking Legal Action If it were my family member

I don't know why the Gurthrie family isn't getting more involved on whats happening with this investigation into their poor mother

This sheriff is picking which networks he wants to talk to

Instead of holding Media Conferences. Communication is the key!

I also feel very sad for the neighbours who have not slept and are scared of what has happened to Nancy.

We still have not been told if this was a forced entry or not

We haven't even been told what clothes Nancy was wearing when she went out.

What a mess!
Can someone give me a quick refresh on what is known about the DNA sample(s) being tested? I haven’t been able to follow along this past week. I am curious to know whether what’s being discussed in the quoted piece is 1) a mixed DNA sample, or 2) contamination. If it’s a mixed DNA sample, that should have been known from the results from the original DNA typing (which presumably was STR typing since a profile or profiles were searched in CODIS). And if that’s the case, I’m curious as to why this would be coming out as a new snag *now* versus before. Maybe it’s just the messaging and imprecise wording that’s the issue here, but I would like to wrap my mind around it with some actual facts. 😊
 
  • #37,054
I would say it's an assumption that AG would call her mother to ask her to take an Uber. Perhaps, NG offered to take an Uber to go to AG's house to maintain her independence. Who knows? Why are we even delving into conjectures about family dynamics?

As far as I'm concerned, LE has cleared the Guthrie family, and that's where it stands. I don't think it's fair to try to find a fifth leg on a cat just because it's a slow news night. Everyone is frustrated, and NG's entire family isn't sitting around having fun while this is unfolding.

  • They have been victims of a crime.
  • Their mother might be dead and her body can't be found.
  • Their mother might be alive and suffering.
  • Perfect strangers feel completely comfortable dissecting presence, absence, silence, words just because SG is a journalist and a public figure.
  • Every time the phone rings they have to hold their breath waiting to see if there are any news.
These are adult children of an elderly woman who has been abducted and suffered an act of violence in her home. She's disappeared. She might never be found. They have to deal with this as her children, but also as the parents of her grandchildren and with the whole world watching.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of whatever it is each and every one of us believes in, stop speculating about the family? Put yourselves in their shoes for a second.

Imagine that once (in the most banal way) you did something to a parent, whether it's tell them to go to CVS themselves, or take an Uber, or not call until after 9 a.m. because you want to sleep in, or not answer the phone because you were just not in the mood, and then...Lord help us...something happens to that parent and the whole world starts speculating about how crappy you were to them and maybe you had something to do with what has happened.

My mother has been dead, of natural causes, for nearly ten years, and I still torture myself about the times I rolled my eyes at her chatter. Do we REALLY think that her children are not completely floored by the little things they did/didn't do while NG is missing?

These people, famous though they may be, are dealing with their mother's disappearance, and 100% guaranteed they have revisited every what if ad nauseam...all while the whole world is watching. There is not a bit of peace available to them right now, and it's heartbreaking.
This is outstanding and should be reposted every few pages.
 
  • #37,055
Video is apparently blocked for international users, but their YouTube channel has quite a few of the clips already and perhaps will post the whole thing soon.

Oh, I didn't know that. It took them about a half hour to post them to the website, so maybe YouTube will be updated next.
Edited-grammar
 
  • #37,056
IMO that's where the FBI excels. Possibly state law enforcement too.

Did the sheriff's office ask people to stop calling in tips? Not as far as I know. Investigators will always welcome concrete, productive information. I think investigators may wish to reduce the volume of frivolous, un-useful information and suggestions . As you say, the amount of manhours required to record, track, and evaluate vague or irrelevant tips hinders their ability to develop leads from actionable information.
This isn't the initial media article I saw but it effectively states the same thing.


Snip
“People saying the suspect is right handed or left handed or whether it’s a man or a woman. There are plenty of people calling in about the same thoughts or theories, so those are typically the types of things we just we don’t want to hear about,” said Cecilia Ochoa, PCSD’s 911 dispatch manager.
 
  • #37,057
We have so many devices in our homes anymore that have cameras, microphones, and connectivity. Consider the following:

Desktop computers
Laptops and Tablets
SMART cellphones
Apple Watch
Fitness bracelets
Streaming devices like Apple TV, Roku
Virtual assistants like Alexa or NEST
SMART TV's
SMART refrigerators or ovens
SMART lighting
SMART speakers
Robot vacuum
Wireless thermostats

Certainly NG must have had more of these than we know for certain (phone, watch).

Is it likely LE is attempting to retrieve data that might have been collected from any of these in an attempt to determine WHO and HOW MANY were in NG's home the night of Jan 31/February 1? I wonder if "exceptions to the usual" faces/voices could be whittled out of that data?
Nice list, Thanks. Also, please add cars. Treasure trove of info.

JMO
 
  • #37,058
Can someone give me a quick refresh on what is known about the DNA sample(s) being tested? I haven’t been able to follow along this past week. I am curious to know whether what’s being discussed in the quoted piece is 1) a mixed DNA sample, or 2) contamination. If it’s a mixed DNA sample, that should have been known from the results from the original DNA typing (which presumably was STR typing since a profile or profiles were searched in CODIS). And if that’s the case, I’m curious as to why this would be coming out as a new snag *now* versus before. Maybe it’s just the messaging and imprecise wording that’s the issue here, but I would like to wrap my mind around it with some actual facts. 😊
This DNA is of material from the house. It’s mixed. There was a negative CODIS result from a glove. In some places, it was reported that the glove DNA didn’t match that of the DNA found at the house, and that there was no CODIS match against some DNA at the house. I suspect there are multiple DNA samples from the house, and at least one is mixed.

 
  • #37,059
Snip
“People saying the suspect is right handed or left handed or whether it’s a man or a woman. There are plenty of people calling in about the same thoughts or theories, so those are typically the types of things we just we don’t want to hear about,” said Cecilia Ochoa, PCSD’s 911 dispatch manager.
Yeah, people should understand that LE and FBI can work those things out for themselves. Especially the people who were calling 911 about these things.😵
 
  • #37,060
This DNA is of material from the house. It’s mixed. There was a negative CODIS result from a glove. In some places, it was reported that the glove DNA didn’t match that of the DNA found at the house, and that there was no CODIS match against some DNA at the house. I suspect there are multiple DNA samples from the house, and at least one is mixed.

There’s a better interview with the sheriff, in which he explains clearly that it’s mixed DNA. Perhaps someone can find it and re-post it.
 
Chapter 1/6

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
53
Guests online
4,621
Total visitors
4,674

Forum statistics

Threads
645,730
Messages
18,847,240
Members
245,778
Latest member
Common Sense Prevails
Top