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The sheriff immediately sent all crime scene DNA to the Florida lab. By the time the FBI came( day 3), FBI recommended Quantico, but the sheriff had already started at FL lab, Sheriff didn’t want to switch horses. There was more to it, if someone can find the video? Posted way back.

Most think FBI lab would be quicker, more affective. Anyway, the DNA results are coming along. The samples are big enough to double up if they need to, FL lab, plus FBI lab.
Hoping to identify the perp soon. 🙏

JMO
Yes, as I recall, Sheriff has given two different explanations about that. One was that he wanted to stick with the one he had been using for years. The other was that the FBI didn't see any sense in splitting the evidence up at two labs, as if Quantico couldn't compare results they achieved with results another lab got. MOO
 
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Missing NG has stirred my memories of the Jamison Family. I will always remember waiting and watching every day for their safe return. I do pray for a more positive outcome for NG.
 
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Ok, I buy the last seen date. However the time is incorrect. She was last seen around 10pm NOT 6 pm
Could the 6 pm be the last verifiable ‘seen’ time given by the Uber driver ?
 
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Jennifer Coffindaffer told Newsweek that the vehicle is, in her view, the most significant lead for law enforcement at the moment.

“The number one lead, I believe, is the Range Rover that was taken,” she said.

She added: “What I think is most disconcerting is the fact that they put a tarp on the back when they opened up that vehicle. I believe that's because of something they saw in that vehicle and they were concerned for witnesses, passersby, YouTubers, everyone else who was around the scene to see what was inside that vehicle.”
Yes. I wonder what they took out of that Range Rover.
 

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This DNA is of material from the house. It’s mixed. There was a negative CODIS result from a glove. In some places, it was reported that the glove DNA didn’t match that of the DNA found at the house, and that there was no CODIS match against some DNA at the house. I suspect there are multiple DNA samples from the house, and at least one is mixed.

Thanks so much!
 
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Could the 6 pm be the last verifiable ‘seen’ time given by the Uber driver ?
I think you’re right. Before they could definitively rule out the family I think they were going by the last person outside of the family to see her. MOO
 
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I would say it's an assumption that AG would call her mother to ask her to take an Uber. Perhaps, NG offered to take an Uber to go to AG's house to maintain her independence. Who knows? Why are we even delving into conjectures about family dynamics?

As far as I'm concerned, LE has cleared the Guthrie family, and that's where it stands. I don't think it's fair to try to find a fifth leg on a cat just because it's a slow news night. Everyone is frustrated, and NG's entire family isn't sitting around having fun while this is unfolding.

  • They have been victims of a crime.
  • Their mother might be dead and her body can't be found.
  • Their mother might be alive and suffering.
  • Perfect strangers feel completely comfortable dissecting presence, absence, silence, words just because SG is a journalist and a public figure.
  • Every time the phone rings they have to hold their breath waiting to see if there are any news.
These are adult children of an elderly woman who has been abducted and suffered an act of violence in her home. She's disappeared. She might never be found. They have to deal with this as her children, but also as the parents of her grandchildren and with the whole world watching.

Can we PLEASE, for the love of whatever it is each and every one of us believes in, stop speculating about the family? Put yourselves in their shoes for a second.

Imagine that once (in the most banal way) you did something to a parent, whether it's tell them to go to CVS themselves, or take an Uber, or not call until after 9 a.m. because you want to sleep in, or not answer the phone because you were just not in the mood, and then...Lord help us...something happens to that parent and the whole world starts speculating about how crappy you were to them and maybe you had something to do with what has happened.

My mother has been dead, of natural causes, for nearly ten years, and I still torture myself about the times I rolled my eyes at her chatter. Do we REALLY think that her children are not completely floored by the little things they did/didn't do while NG is missing?

These people, famous though they may be, are dealing with their mother's disappearance, and 100% guaranteed they have revisited every what if ad nauseam...all while the whole world is watching. There is not a bit of peace available to them right now, and it's heartbreaking.
Beautifully said.

The Uber is another of those things where I struggle to understand the mystery. Many older folks don't like to drive after dark. It could just be that she knew she would be out after dark, so she ubered to their house. That way they could drive her home in the dark without bothering about her car. That might even be their typical way of allowing her to feel comfortable staying for a while after dinner.
 
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Yes. I wonder what they took out of that Range Rover.
OMG what would they have to hide with a blanket/tarp ? I thought they only did that with a body?
 
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Good question. I really followed Gabby's case, and am ashamed to admit I don't remember 😔
It was a travel blogger I thought
I don’t remember searches
 
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Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!
 
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This DNA is of material from the house. It’s mixed. There was a negative CODIS result from a glove. In some places, it was reported that the glove DNA didn’t match that of the DNA found at the house, and that there was no CODIS match against some DNA at the house. I suspect there are multiple DNA samples from the house, and at least one is mixed.

Again, thanks very much for clarifying.

A DNA mixture is going to be tricky for FIGG. There are a couple methods out there, but FIGG is still new enough that there aren’t routine ways of dealing with mixtures yet. Whether or not FIGG can be done on the sample will really depend on the contributor ratio, the number of contributors (2? 3?), the quantity of DNA available, whether there is only one component of the mixture that is of interest or more than one, whether there is a reference profile available for any of the contributors, etc. The specifics of the sample will matter here.

All IMO, of course. 😊
 
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Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!
Yes, it's strange.
 
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OMG what would they have to hide with a blanket/tarp ? I thought they only did that with a body?
It's all shadows. Can't tell.
 

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This isn't the initial media article I saw but it effectively states the same thing.


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“People saying the suspect is right handed or left handed or whether it’s a man or a woman. There are plenty of people calling in about the same thoughts or theories, so those are typically the types of things we just we don’t want to hear about,” said Cecilia Ochoa, PCSD’s 911 dispatch manager.
Interesting. I know they group together similar leads, all suggesting similar, same thing.

I am wondering why they don’t want theories? I suppose investigators think they already thought of “ most” of the theories. If I was LE, I would want as many ideas as possible.
Maybe LE thinks extra theories become too cumbersome. It’s mainly variations on the same theories.
I know I would still want to read, make sure nothing unique, original that stands out, needing more inquiry.

JMO
 
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It's all shadows. Can't tell.
Are they hiding something being removed or blocking the identity of the person driving, first time I am seeing these, thanks for posting I have been so far behind. They wouldn't be protecting the identity of the driver with a tarp right? It would have to be something taken from vehicle? I can't think what they would have to hide other than something sensitive for viewing like someting with blood? I am just used to car accident scenes where they blanket and tarp all body parts and blood so public doesn't have to see it. But if they let person go it couldn't have been blood this is maddening. Something needing to be hidden but released the person driving said vehicle, more things that make no sense I guess.
 
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Goodnight all!

I have hope again given the former FBI agents comments in the Newsweek article posted by payrollnerd above.

I'm going to go, holding on to that hope at least for another night!
 
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I just read this article about the subject of the search parties and it makes sense to me:

Why Civilian Activity Could Compromise the Case​

Excerpt:

The dual developments — tightened perimeter control and a public call for volunteers to step back — signal that the investigation has entered a critical phase.

With the FBI actively working to extract additional images of a masked suspect from the backend of Guthrie's security system, according to NBC News, even well-intentioned civilian activity near the scene could compromise evidence or hinder operations.

Link to full article:





This part which follows is all IMO/MOO -

I just did a quick search re: BLM land around Tucson and found this:

The BLM Tucson Field Office manages more than 600,000 acres of desert, mountains, and grasslands within five southeastern Arizona counties and shares the international border with Mexico.


The sheriff can't stop people from organizing search parties in the vast areas around Tucson, namely BLM lands. Why don't the search parties start there?

If you do a google map search of NG's house and zoom in you'll see that every property is privately owned. At a certain zoom level you can clearly see property lines. I don't see why search parties would want to focus on this area when there are so many desert areas that could be searched and probably aren't being searched by LE/FBI.

Arizona is a gun state, meaning, many homeowners own guns. This is a sensitive time in the neighborhood and these are private properties. I'm guessing LE/FBI doesn't want yet another tragedy on their hands (a homeowner shooting a trespasser). The idea that the kidnappers left her in someone else's yard or on their property seems far-fetched to me, but even if they did - it seems LE is covering those areas.

I hope the frustrated search party participants will consider branching out to BLM lands which are more deserted and perhaps more likely to be a place where the kidnappers might hide a body. As an aside, I live in a community that backs up to BLM land and we are 13 miles outside a populated area. There are many square miles of wilderness between where we live and the closest town and I've always thought it would be easy to abandon a person (alive or dead) in those areas. It's mainly just saguaro cacti, mountains and scrub brush.

Again, ALL IMO/MOO

Editing to add:

This is what I mentioned regarding property lines on Google maps. The houses do look spaced out and as if there would be "empty" land in between, but when you zoom in, every space involves a property line.
 

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[…] one was the RR and the other was driven by the first person they detained whose initials escape me atm). I haven't heard anything more about grey vehicles tho.
The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

 
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