Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

emigrate said:

OMG what would they have to hide with a blanket/tarp ? I thought they only did that with a body?

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It could be that they were doing testing for blood - is it there or not?… and didn’t want people watching if it happened to light up in such a way that it indicated there was. The tarp does not necessarily mean anything was actually there to be seen.

nycpizzaparty said:

It's all shadows. Can't tell.

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At the time this was happening I was watching it live. I got the impression they did that in case they extricated something that they wouldn't want the public seeing. As a precaution. Even that night I didn't think there was a body in the car, mainly based on the actions of how LE was acting on the scene.

IMO/JMO


ETA: The only body I thought MIGHT be in the car was when it was rumored that someone had shot himself/herself during the raid/traffic stop. By morning, that was said to be a false report. ETA 2- I really did think the person might have shot himself/herself in the car, but since no ambulances ever appeared, it didn't seem likely.

imo/jmo

shonyakay said:

Thanks. I hope they take him up on his offer.

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Heck. How about some cadaver dogs…just to see if she was killed in the house

Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.

I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...

emigrate said:

Are they hiding something being removed or blocking the identity of the person driving, first time I am seeing these, thanks for posting I have been so far behind. They wouldn't be protecting the identity of the driver with a tarp right? It would have to be something taken from vehicle? I can't think what they would have to hide other than something sensitive for viewing like someting with blood? I am just used to car accident scenes where they blanket and tarp all body parts and blood so public doesn't have to see it. But if they let person go it couldn't have been blood this is maddening. Something needing to be hidden but released the person driving said vehicle, more things that make no sense I guess.

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I think they are blocking the public from viewing them inspect the vehicle and from seeing inside the vehicle as well. I think they may have been also blocking any view of removal and transfer of item(s) from the car to a LE vehicle.

rjbeachqueen said:

That is what I wondered many many pages ago... I asked if the gem neighbour was away that night. And they got the wrong house? Weren't expecting anyone to be at home.

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Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out

wibbleflea said:

The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024280647976501404

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I feel sorry for this man. He seems honest and innocent. I wonder how LE got tipped off about him.
MOO

LRinCA said:

At the time this was happening I was watching it live. I got the impression they did that in case they extricated something that they wouldn't want the public seeing. As a precaution. Even that night I didn't think there was a body in the car, mainly based on the actions of how LE was acting on the scene.

IMO/JMO


ETA: The only body I thought there MIGHT be in the car was when it was rumored that someone had shot himself/herself during the raid/traffic stop. By morning, that was said to be a false report.

imo/jmo

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Agreed, not a body. It could have been nothing or anything that was in the car, or removable materials from the car like the carpet on the trunk floor.

Diddian said:

It could be that they were doing testing for blood - is it there or not?… and didn’t want people watching if it happened to light up in such a way that it indicated there was. The tarp does not necessarily mean anything was actually there to be seen.

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thank you for that

wibbleflea said:

The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024280647976501404

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the hell is he smiling about, that is a weird flex a lady is still missing, read the room guy

This group has what seems to be an amazing record when it comes to finding missing people in the desert.



Madres Buscadoras de Sonora - Known in English as the Searching Mothers of Sonora

"...the group was founded in 2019 to search for tens of thousands of missing people across Mexico. In 2021, members uncovered more than 20 bodies in clandestine graves near Hermosillo and had previously located at least 42 bodies near Puerto Peñasco, according to past reporting."

shonyakay said:

It could be strategy to make the perp(s) relax and start making some mistakes.

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It could be and lets hope it is!

Forest_Wood said:

I feel sorry for this man. He seems honest and innocent. I wonder how LE got tipped off about him.
MOO

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An angry ex or a stupid prank gone terribly wrong?

Amateur opinion and speculation

Trino said:

Why wouldn't search parties be welcome because the sheriff isn't doing them?

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i get why not a good idea on private property but on public land should not be an issue.

Shanz said:

Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out

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Exactly. This was premeditated and targeted.

Amateur opinion and speculation

emigrate said:

the hell is he smiling about, that is a weird flex a lady is still missing, read the room guy

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Nerves. I grin like a loon when under extreme pressure, so I get it.

Amateur opinion and speculation

wibbleflea said:

The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024280647976501404

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CP appears very traumatized, IMO—the swallowing, the gulps of air. It helps me understand, as a new member, why the rules are so strict in this forum as to what is said about POIs and suspects.

factseeking said:

Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!

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From interview aired on NBC Saturday 2/21:

Nanos said the samples are mixed, meaning they contain DNA from more than one person, making it harder to run through national databases.

"Our lab tells us that there are challenges with it," Nanos said of the Florida lab his department is using. "The technology is moving so fast and in such a frenzy that they think some of this stuff will resolve itself just in a matter of weeks, months, or maybe a year."

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shonyakay said:

A video is not showing up for me. Do you have a direct link that you could share? Please and Thank you.

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Brian Entin’s special on News Nation TV just ran tonight at 8p ET. It may not get posted online immediately or at all. It is available now but may have some limitations if you aren’t a NN subscriber. Sometimes I can only get the audio. JMO

Added: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video...a-of-yellow-ribbons-newsnation-prime/11544065

The Missing Canoe said:

CP appears very traumatized, IMO—the swallowing, the gulps of air. It helps me understand, as a new member, why the rules are so strict in this forum as to what is said about POIs and suspects.

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Well Carlos is clearly angling for a lawsuit/settlement. The minute he was cleared he and his family had been giving interviews about his property being damaged and how his detention was "unfair" and he then got a lawyer.