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I wonder if he never planned to take her until she said Savannah was her daughter, after which point he thought he either had to (a), get rid of the evidence; (b), ask for a ransom.

Obviously I can’t know for sure, but I just don’t think she would do that.

I cannot picture NG jeopardizing her daughter by throwing her name out if the perpetrator truly didn’t know NG was Savannah’s mother.

I think instead she would’ve done her best to conceal that she was the mother of someone rich and famous, lest the perp get ideas to go after Savannah.

JMO as a mother and grandmother.
 
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By Tuesday night, 12 hours after the family reward was made public, more than 750 calls had come in to the FBI's tip line, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News.

A federal official earlier had said that the reward offer was likely to generate tips. “We don’t need another thousand calls. We need one. Money can erode a lot of allegiances," that official said.
 
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I’m honestly shocked that they haven’t gotten to their suspect yet. There aren’t many cars on the road that late at night. They’ve had time to look into any car within 10 miles that appeared on any camera in town. I get NG’s house is a bit secluded, but at some point a suspect vehicle would have had to pass by a camera, unless it stayed northwest of Tucson before and after.

Wild to me that they had a bead on Luigi Mangione within hours, but have nothing here for a month….
Someone may have already pointed this out but many pages back in this thread one of the posters said the DOT cams/street cams in Tucson don't record video. I'll see if I can find the post.

EDIT: I couldn't figure out how to link to the post but it's by stmichael who is I think a local #36,911
 
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RSBM
Yup. That's why I also suspect perp and NG are in his car or van at the bottom of a lake (I named several nearby ^^^) or the bottom of a cliff off a mountain side (I named nearby mountains ^^^).

IMO, that ties to what a former FBI specialist said on CNN several days ago - that the perp may have taken his life in the face of all the public and LE attention.

IMO, the perp may have committed M-S on 2/1 as some sort of deranged punishment for SG ignoring his interest in her (aka @Napoli's theories), or perhaps after NG passed away on his watch after he abducted her and there was no payout made, he was desperate for an escape hatch.

IOW, I think the lack of public response and lack of LE leads is because only the perp knows what he did and where he is - an incel type with no criminal record, no friends, and no family who care about him - dead, never to be found, along with NG.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. My heart aches for the horror NG and her family have been through. May they find peace.


Oh wow! I'd not heard the M/S theory before in this case.

I am REALLY hoping the Reward of up to 1mill$$ will entice someone close to perp to spill the beans...fingers crossed!
 
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Questions-

1. Anybody think the gun isn’t real? Air soft or something?
I would say,,,, I don't know.

I do know, however, that high end airsoft guns are near impossible to tell from the real weapon.- and can cost just as much. They even have the same working functionality as the real gun in regards to slides.

The safeties might not internally work the way real gun safeties do, but they are in the same location and will give the same impression of working.
 
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What a truly decent human being, we need more people like this. I know most of the time I feel there are way more bad people than good but I think that is because all we hear about are the bad. This gives me hope that we truly are not out numbered by the bad people. I hope we out number the evil non humans.
IME the United Cajun Navy is great, and in fact every time I've seen them tapped on threads in Twitter/X they've gone.
 
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I just subscribed to Nancy Grace’s podcast on YouTube and it got me thinking, what are the odds this guy is subscribing to people covering this case? Maybe he’s recently subscribed to Entin, JLR, Grace etc.If I’m investigating I’m not too sure I wouldn’t comb through some YouTube handles that are common to all or some of those personalities that are recent subscribers.

Just a thought.
I have actually wondered the opposite, meaning - would a potential suspect be likely to *unfollow* people on social media, trying to look like they're creating distance?

Just a thought I've been ruminating on.
 
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Could it be possible, the suspect at the door has on extra clothing to alter their appearance. if you take notice when their left leg takes the step up it does not bend normal, and on the end photo with the stand-alone person the legs are a slight thinner, tell me about your intake on this this.
 
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By Tuesday night, 12 hours after the family reward was made public, more than 750 calls had come in to the FBI's tip line, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News.

A federal official earlier had said that the reward offer was likely to generate tips. “We don’t need another thousand calls. We need one. Money can erode a lot of allegiances," that official said.
Yes, I saw this. Couldn’t decide if I was surprised by the number of calls or not. Do you think 750 is high for the first 12 hours (approximately 60 per hour). Hmm… 1 per minute
 
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Obviously I can’t know for sure, but I just don’t think she would do that.

I cannot picture NG jeopardizing her daughter by throwing her name out if the perpetrator truly didn’t know NG was Savannah’s mother.

I think instead she would’ve done her best to conceal that she was the mother of someone rich and famous, lest the perp get ideas to go after Savannah.

JMO as a mother and grandmother.
What about the blood evidence the sheriff used as evidence for his claim that Nancy was hard done by?

You start making a lot of 84-year-olds bleed in quantity, I bet they will do and say lots of things they heretofore thought they would never say.

Plus the belief/theory that the kidnapper spent 40-45 minutes in the BG home adds to the idea that he made her bleed as part of his visit.
 
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Brian's nightly catch up...


 
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FYI. The United Cajun Navy YouTube channel is an approved source.


What a wonderful man!

No desire for the reward at all, just wanting to employ his skills and the rest of his Cajun Navy solely to find Nancy.

And as a Northerner, the “yes ma’am’s” always get me!
 
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Sheriff In Nancy Guthrie Case Says There’s 'No Evidence' Suspect Was Caught on Camera at Her Home on a Day Prior to Abduction​

people.com

imo I call bullsh$t
He’s absolutely correct, though, if it’s true that the recovered image has no reliable date or time stamp attached to it. Lacking that, the image is not presently evidence of the suspect being there on any previous night; it’s only evidence the suspect was there at night. It’s possible that the image might later be evaluated by experts who could provide sufficient scientifically-supported analysis and their expert opinions that the image was from a different night, and THEN it could be evidence the suspect was caught on camera on a previous night. But until that happens, the image is worthless by itself as proof.
 
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Yes, I saw this. Couldn’t decide if I was surprised by the number of calls or not. Do you think 750 is high for the first 12 hours (approximately 60 per hour). Hmm… 1 per minute
That’s what happens when you put that much money out there.

And precisely why they didn’t do it right away.
 
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DBM
 
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Though I agree with you that he might not have carried a gun before, I get different vibes besides the phallic. Say, the perp thinking:

- I might need a gun to do this, but I don't know much about them and I am not a gun guy. Rather, my approach to the gun is its just another tool.

- So, no tacti-cool type militia dude type holsters, no pimped out gangst'ah Glock, just a no frills, no prestige brand .380 pistol in a place that I can get to it. I don't plan on using it, only showing it to an elderly victim to intimidate her.

Maybe the unusual holster is reminiscent of a tradesman used to carrying tools jammed into pockets, in hats, behind ears, tucked into belts, or shirts. The goal is simple practicality, not say a look.
I wondered if it might be because the perpetrator is/could be somewhat ambidextrous.

MOO. Edited for verbiage.
 
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Someone has suggested on here that the perp was wearing a latex mask underneath the ski mask in an effort to further conceal his identity or possibly deter leaving behind DNA evidence. At the time I thought it was an unnecessary step and would be hot, but now I wonder. Some of the images look as if something is further concealing his eyes.

His actions which at first seemed casual or amateurish now seem cocky. I’m beginning to think I may have underestimated his evil intent.
 
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I have a question for the sleuthers. Let’s just pretend for a moment that there is NO ransom ( faux or real)

If we look at this from the angle that there is nothing else known other than NG last seen approximate timeline, potential POIs raids , recovered Nest doorbell video, and the immediate family being publicly cleared …. What do you see, believe, or feel? Take away motive… what’s the intent?

It’s hard to imagine why someone would take NG. But after the Tepes being murdered by the wife’s ex-husband after eight years (?) of being exes, I’ve considered someone with a long-standing issue with either her or her family.

Maybe even her late husband, even though he’s been gone for many years.

Did NG recently find out some information on someone that threatened his/her way of life?

This case is so unexplainable that I feel it’s either a really simple answer and the perp(s) got very lucky or it’s going to be an unbelievable kind of twist.
 
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FROM X ONE HOUR AGO;
REPEAT FROM THIS MORN
@SavannahGuthrie
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Someone knows how to find our mom and bring her home. Call 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) — you can remain anonymous — or find a way to reach out to me. NOTE: Family reward of up to $1 million will be paid only for recovery of Nancy Guthrie, consistent with FBI criteria for payment of its reward in this case: https://fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrieTo support other families of the missing:
@ncmec
I feel so badly for Savannah and her family.
I hope something will come of this to give some closure.
 
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