• #40,661
Who kidnaps an 84-year-old? The logistics alone are cumbersome unless they planned to knock her out and carry her. You need more people for transport. Greater visibility unless she was incapacitated and hidden in a vehicle in the garage and then moved—but wouldn’t there be footage of that?
Maybe they thought an older person would be easier to capture and control?
 
  • #40,662
Maybe they thought an older person would be easier to capture and control?
It actually points to kidnapping for ransom. NG was a unique opportunity to shake down a famous and wealthy person for ransom money (her daughter, Savannah).
 
  • #40,663
I feel like the biggest errors have been:

1) telling the world that Nancy needed medications to live more than 24 hours
2) telling the world that Nancy had a synced pacemaker
3) not taking the ransom demand seriously

I truly believe that if this was a kidnapping and ransom demand - and it appears the FBI thinks that is what it was - that publicly broadcasting the first two made Nancy more of an escalating liability than a negotiable asset, and not taking the ransom demand seriously costed them valuable time in securing her return.

JMO.
I am 100% with you especially not taking the ransom notes seriously. The talking heads etc were the ones that REALLY made it worse by saying that statistically it's rare for kidnaping with ransom..bla bla. and the ransom notes were a hoax and the public latched on to that. Were they purposely trying to gaslight us and why? Those very oddly worded responses by SG sure sounded like they were being taken seriously by SG et al. Statistics are not going to solve this case. HL seemed like he believed them too. I also thought that flying around the drones/helicopters to pick up the signals from pacemaker was too little and too late. Pacemaker had to be in range. IMO altitude too high MOO
 
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As I said in a post earlier today....

Action > Words.

What people do is more important (usually) than what they say.
Along those same lines..I pay attention to what isn't said! For example, same ole same ole, it isn't this, it isnt that..but no real insight for what they really think. What theory are they not eliminating? jmo
 
  • #40,665
I've seen a few people speculate about back/hip/leg issues. I do feel like that could track with the theory that he was a local workman of some kind - someone who's spent many years doing manual labour that his body is feeling the strain of now

What about the possibility of a younger man who has been consistently lifting weights at the gym and maybe strained himself?

Just an idea I've been tossing around and MOO.
 
  • #40,666
I do not put much weight on blood splatter analysis. It feels a little wonky to me as a way to determine how a blow was administered to a victim for example, and IMO is wayyyy over stated as a "science". JMO
The physics of blood spatter – Physics World

Bloodstain Pattern Analysis (BPA) is increasingly considered a subjective "junk science" rather than a rigorous forensic discipline, with studies revealing error rates over 11% and high levels of inconsistency among analysts. Often relying on subjective interpretation rather than validated scientific principles, BPA has been implicated in wrongful convictions. Study Reports Error Rates for Bloodstain Pattern Analysis
 
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Interestingly, if the ransom letters were either a hoax or an after-thought and if the remnants of the surveillance video had not been available, what would we really have? A missing person case only?

If NG had to be eliminated (?) why not just have her drown in the pool and therefore leave the body? The sheriff said in one of the pressers, that the inside of the house was basically untouched, looked “pristine”. He never confirmed forced entry.

Why was she removed from the house then?

Is the blood on the floor (inside? And outside) the clue? Did she accidentally run into the intruder while possibly going to the bathroom or kitchen area? Or did the intruder injure her when she possibly tried to run (as best as she could) out of the house?

With the blood on the floor we do not just have a missing person case IMO. The blood changed the whole dynamic and the intruder’s intentions IMO.


The million dollar question is, what were the intentions? Hopefully we will get a 1 million dollar answer soon.

ALL IMOO

Cheers,
Nin
 
  • #40,668
DBM
 
  • #40,669
I am 100% with you especially not taking the ransom notes seriously. The talking heads etc were the ones that REALLY made it worse by saying that statistically it's rare for kidnaping with ransom..bla bla. and the ransom notes were a hoax and the public latched on to that. Were they purposely trying to gaslight us and why? Those very oddly worded responses by SG sure sounded like they were being taken seriously by SG et al. Statistics are not going to solve this case. HL seemed like he believed them too. I also thought that flying around the drones/helicopters to pick up the signals from pacemaker was too little and too late. Pacemaker had to be in range. IMO altitude too high MOO
I am very careful which talking heads I listen to these days. There are some that obviously know their stuff and I'm happy to hear from them. Unfortunately, a case this big, with so many media trying to fill seats with talking heads, I find that some of them are talking from somewhere other than their head. 😆

Either way, I do believe FBI was assisting in preparing the siblings' response videos. SG is an excellent communicator, but the videos were so carefully worded and nuanced that I really feel like a profiler helped prepare the script. MOOooo
 
  • #40,670
I had thought about the Sunday thing recently, though the days would be Saturday night into Sunday morning, no? I wonder if NG and family regularly had dinner together on a Saturday evening
Nancy had dinner at her daughters on Friday, was it not ?
 
  • #40,671
It actually points to kidnapping for ransom. NG was a unique opportunity to shake down a famous and wealthy person for ransom money (her daughter, Savannah).
Yes it is difficult to dismiss perhaps the most significant fact in the data set. Victim is the mother of a wealthy celebrity.

Coincidences often take a lot of planning.
 
  • #40,672
Nancy had dinner at her daughters on Friday, was it not ?
No, she was dropped off back home on Saturday night (the 31st) after dinner and reported missing around noon on the Sunday (the 1st)
 
  • #40,673
I know he was written off early on as just an 'imposter', but my mind keeps going back to Derrick Callella. The guy that was arrested in LA area for writing the 'imposter' ransom note. Derrick Callella

--He both texted and called AG/TC. That is a fact. See link. How did he get their numbers?
--I know the FBI minimized this guy as just an imposter--but maybe they had to and there is more than meets the eye?
--JMO--but I would not be shocked if we hear this guys name again down the road when the pieces of the puzzle are all put together.
 
  • #40,674
No, she was dropped off back home on Saturday night (the 31st) after dinner and reported missing around noon on the Sunday (the 1st)
Thank you ,I'm getting mixed up now because thread is so long 😅 don't know why I thought Friday 🫣

Feeling grateful now fraize has broken the thread down into individual hypothesis/information chapters 😆
 
  • #40,675
What about the possibility of a younger man who has been consistently lifting weights at the gym and maybe strained himself?

Just an idea I've been tossing around and MOO.
Possible explanation!
 
  • #40,676
Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal much less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.
 
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I had thought about the Sunday thing recently, though the days would be Saturday night into Sunday morning, no? I wonder if NG and family regularly had dinner together on a Saturday evening

I have wondered the same thing - and also wondered if she sometimes/usually stayed over at AG's house afterwards. If the perp was watching her, I wonder if her routine was different the night he broke in?
 
  • #40,678
Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal nuch less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.
4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
 
  • #40,679
Feb 28, 2026 rbbm
'TUCSON, Ariz. — ‘America’s Most Wanted’ co-host Callahan Walsh, who works closely on many missing persons cases, told Fox News Digital there’s “a lot that sticks out” in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

He said that the fact that investigators haven’t found her yet makes it “very much a unique case.” He also stated that not many seniors go missing and that they usually wander off or get in the car and aren’t able to navigate back home.

“The way this investigation has ebbed and flowed, it’s gone from hot, to cold, to hot [and] back to cold again,” Walsh said. “Our hope is that Nancy is found alive [and] that she is brought home and reunited with her family.”

''Walsh said sifting through the tips can be a challenge, but they often tip the scales in a case.
“They’ve helped us recover nearly 1,200 fugitives, the worst of the worst… and it’s because of the public tips that have been provided,” Walsh said. “I always say, it’s like looking for a needle in a stack of needles.”
''He explained that it’s better to have more tips than to have no tips at all.
“As tiny as you might think it is, it might be that little bit of the puzzle that law enforcement has been looking for this whole time,” Walsh told Fox News Digital.''
 
  • #40,680
4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
Thanks for the addition!
 
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