Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Chypre said:

Earlier in the thread we said there were some golfer moves by Lantana Man. Do you see any of that?

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I don’t, but I respect any golfers’ opinions! I see someone who is steady and comfortable carrying himself in space. Wish I could be more insightful beyond that.

SaraSmile said:

In some past crimes, a person was interviewed, “ cleared” early on. Then much later, sometimes years later, with DNA advances, cold case, going through evidence again, determined this person was the suspect all along! Arrested. JMO

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That answers my question, then! Thanks.

SMK777 said:

Digital forensics could be the tool that helps 'paint a picture of truth' in the Guthrie case

Digital forensics could be the tool that helps 'paint a picture of truth' in the Guthrie case

“Your phone is the silent witness to your life. It knows everything you do,” said a digital forensics expert who worked on the University of Idaho slayings.

www.nbcnews.com

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Yep. 3 things triangulated Koberger. I slip of DNA, ring camera catching glimpse of car, and cell phone moving, turning off patterns. My only concern in this case is LE didnt act quick enough to get car on camera.

SMK777 said:

Either a kidnapping for ransom that couldn't produce proof of life so had to abort,

or

someone who worked for her may have told others that she paid large quantities of cash that she kept onhand , and they were there for that, and she didn't have it, and things went downhill from there.

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I agree that it could have been either scenario, but what I'm asking is does anyone think that the person(s) responsible has actually had a gain in anyway way from the crime?

Ransom wasn't paid as far as we know, so were they successful in swiping valuables or cash? Just thinking outloud.

SaraSmile said:

Wow, it’s so sad to think of NG being carried away, what were her last thoughts? Maybe knocked out( or worse). A sweet 84 year old lady, taken from her safe home, bed. Really sad.
JMO

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Yes, THAT is what I keep coming back to, and why I don't post too often unless there's some news. A lovely, kind, elderly woman, all alone terrified in the middle of the night by some devilish offenders is not what she (or anyone) deserves. I still hold out hope, and I also pray that if she has passed on, that she didn't suffer long.

I don't know how her family and friends can even think straight at this time knowing what she must have endured. It's beyond my comprehension and they have my sincerest sympathy.

#Justice4Nancy

Sakura2Sophia4Lucia said:

Brian Entin interviewed a retired PC LE last night who thought one possible motive was a burglary gone bad. Most burgulars break into houses during the day when nobody is home, as this LE on the video mentions. But, I wonder if it was a burglary where the criminal wanted NG at home to give him the code to the safe or information--at gun point--about what valuables she had and where they were. JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027583992682451169

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It been suggested that she has a safe, but I don't think it's been corroborated. She has also been described as well off, but do we really know that? Her daughter certainly is, but that doesn't mean that NG necessarily is. SG may be one of many well off adults helping support aging parents. She was a stay at home Mom until her husband died. She worked at the U of AZ for 17 years, but we don't know whether she worked long enough to qualify for a pension, had a substantial salary, etc.


She has an excellent asset in her home, because it was bought in the 70's and the area has become sought after. It happens. My grandparents bought a house in the late 1940's/early 1950's and lived in it for 50 years. The value of the home greatly increased because the area became very much sought after, but they were firmly middle class. No safe, no valuables stashed in the house.

MOOooo

The Missing Canoe said:

I don’t, but I respect any golfers’ opinions! I see someone who is steady and comfortable carrying himself in space. Wish I could be more insightful beyond that.

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Thank you

VeronicaVaughn said:

I agree that it could have been either scenario, but what I'm asking is does anyone think that the person(s) responsible has actually had a gain in anyway way from the crime?

Ransom wasn't paid as far as we know, so were they successful in swiping valuables or cash? Just thinking outloud.

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BBM

IMO the only gain so far..notoriety. Shock and awe. Perfect crime.

But I don't think that was the goal.

Targeted burglary gone wrong or kidnapping gone wrong??

VeronicaVaughn said:

I agree that it could have been either scenario, but what I'm asking is does anyone think that the person(s) responsible has actually had a gain in anyway way from the crime?

Ransom wasn't paid as far as we know, so were they successful in swiping valuables or cash? Just thinking outloud.

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Okay, I get it.
For all we know they did get a significant amount of cash or jewelry that family hasn't noticed gone.
But if they did gain an advantage from the crime and just want to move on now (maybe left the country) why did they take her?
I guess for the dozens of reasons we've already been over here

In the weeks since Guthrie’s disappearance, local security contractors say they have seen a notable uptick in inquiries from homeowners seeking to install reinforced doors, panic rooms, and other high‑security features.

imstilla.grandma said:

“Not many seniors go missing,” Walsh said, noting that when they do, it typically involves wandering or disorientation — not abduction. The fact that investigators believe Nancy was forcibly taken from her Tucson home, and that nearly a month later she still hasn’t been found, makes this “very much a unique case,” he said.

“The way this investigation has ebbed and flowed, it’s gone from hot, to cold, to hot [and] back to cold again,” Walsh added. “Our hope is that Nancy is found alive, that she is brought home and reunited with her

Nancy Guthrie Update Today: 'America's Most Wanted' Host Reveals What 'Sticks Out' in Case

With experience in missing persons cases, Callahan Walsh shares his take on the Nancy Guthrie case.

www.mensjournal.com

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IMO This is true.

SAR get calls for seniors with Alzheimer’s or dementia who become disoriented and wander. It can happen quickly, they may step outside thinking they’re going somewhere familiar, suddenly follow a old routine from decades ago, try to “go home” even when they are home, or simply get turned around in their own neighborhood. Of course, that’s not the case with NG. She’s a victim of a crime and it’s odd.

The other SAR callouts for our vulnerable population, are autistic children. Often with an attraction to water (ponds, pools, lakes). These can end in tragedy. IMO

Napoli said:

My question is EVIDENCE OF WHAT? 2 different cars. Garaged and used by presumably 2 different people. Both ridden in by NG. (she drives her own car whenever and was brought home by her SIL in his that evening). I can see doing forensics on NG's car. Can they track where she went for the past 2 weeks for example by some gps tracker in her car? Even so, why keep the entire car? What is the glaring commonality between the 2 vehicles, that they are both being held, besides NG has been an occupant? I dunno.. jmo

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Well, yes, they can see the gps for a long period of time. They can confirm timelines, when door closes, speed, they can even get phone contacts, images, calls, text messages, all just from the infotainment system. They need the physical car to do this. It’s almost like the car is its own “cellphone”. It collects data from other cellphones connected to it, which could also be important.

The DNA recovered inside the Nancy Guthrie home is a mixture still being separated. Family members, landscapers, service workers all contributed to the sample. Genetic genealogy can't begin until that profile is clean enough to upload. With questions about lab facilities and sample condition, the timeline remains uncertain.

The glove found miles from the property? Processed through CODIS. No match to anyone in the system—and critically, no match to the DNA at the scene. Coffindaffer raises the possibility it shouldn't be treated as case evidence at all.

Meanwhile: lost Nest camera footage. A pacemaker search running for weeks. Tens of thousands of tips. No suspect identified.

But the pressure is building on whoever did this—and Robin Dreeke, former head of the FBI's Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, breaks down what that pressure is doing to them right now.

The reconnaissance windows suggest someone local. Someone who's been watching weeks of national coverage knowing genetic genealogy is processing, the FBI is showing photos at gun shops, and CeCe Moore told national TV the kidnapper should be "extremely concerned."

warp3dwing said:

Does saying someone is “cleared” have an actual legal meaning? The term “person of interest” comes to mind, since it has no legal meaning, so maybe saying someone is cleared means nothing as far as the case is concerned.

I definitely don’t think the sheriff would lie on camera, but he may say something that sounds meaningful when it’s really as substantial as candy floss.

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IMO/IME reading about true crime, no, they're not technical or codified statements like points in the criminal code.

This would be more usually something to evaluate in terms of an individual speaker's internal lexicon, by which I mean "if we knew how this sheriff has spoken about these things in terms of other cases, depending upon these people being guilty or innocent".

I also don't think he is likely to indulge in BIG public facing lies, or that he would do it if it was counterproductive; but it depends upon whether or not the lies help a greater end, or is some type of ploy to get a response out of someone (like a suspect) watching the newscast.

I could see him/LE telling a smaller white lie here or there to serve the situation better.

Sakura2Sophia4Lucia said:

Brian Entin interviewed a retired PC LE last night who thought one possible motive was a burglary gone bad. Most burgulars break into houses during the day when nobody is home, as this LE on the video mentions. But, I wonder if it was a burglary where the criminal wanted NG at home to give him the code to the safe or information--at gun point--about what valuables she had and where they were. JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027583992682451169

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This isn't necessarily a typical scenario

Yes, most burglaries occur during the day, but then he said that he has worked several burglaries in Tucson where the brazen burglars broke in at night with occupied residents and that it does happen in the area, so it's a possibility and that NG was a soft target. (he also said that neighborhood that he knows is so dark that "you could put your hand in front of your face and not see it." That's a damning quote as to the night conditions from someone who works that area, as he further expanded on the opportunistic set up of NG and her house.


Assumption of Target's Valuables- safe combo, bank accounts, access keys, etc.

Regarding the target; whether she had a safe, a bank account, a crypto wallet, valuable jewelry or cash stashed away, it's not so much as what she actually had, it's what the skell assumed or was under the impression that she had that would motivate him. Many times such erroneous assumptions underlay an incident with a room temp IQ criminal. Maybe he worked the house and saw her paying contractors in cash from the bedroom (surely she has more being the assumption). Maybe there was a safe, but it contained boring paperwork and a will etc. Maybe he had bad intel or thought an old lady living in a $1M house alone had stuff squirreled away. But yes he could have wanted a safe combo, bank account, crypto wallet key etc. even based on wrong intel and the awkward open holstering of the gun could be just for intimidation and coercion (as someone who has worked w/ firearms for 30 years that's my conclusion on that).

Unintended Outcome with an Elderly Medically-compromised victim

Now in the commission of a crime where he trying to coerce a soft target to give up location of cash, accounts, etc. a lot could go south. Most simply an elderly lady with a pacemaker and high blood pressure on meds, could be very stressed and have a cardiac event that he did not count on. Right there, that's it. A reasonable outcome. Even roughing up someone on blood thinners bears a large risk. I don't think based on the Nest cam get up this was a sophisticated individual (though he may have experience). Once the mark is deceased then I can see the whole cliche panic "Oh man, I got to get rid of the body" scenario kick in.

SaraSmile said:

In some past crimes, a person was interviewed, “ cleared” early on. Then much later, sometimes years later, with DNA advances, cold case, going through evidence again, determined this person was the suspect all along! Arrested. JMO

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So many things have been wishy-washy & walked back so (imo) it might give those needing the 'out of the woods' and breather for the immediate (only they know who they are). Which can be taken back at any time.

Eli9 said:

I'm currently landing on 3 and 4. MOO

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I can't decide on leaving a body at the scene.

On one hand, it's probably true that there is a risk of leaving one's DNA and evidence on the body. But the guy we saw on the camera (backpack boy) looked to me completely covered with no exposed skin or hair. If he hurt NG it would likely be her DNA on him I think.

But taking the body away is a whole other thing - moving it, putting it in a vehicle, disposing of it. And I'd venture to say not the typical thing to do.

stmichael said:

Unintended Outcome with an Elderly Medically-compromised victim

Now in the commission of a crime where he trying to coerce a soft target to give up location of cash, accounts, etc. a lot could go south. Most simply an elderly lady with a pacemaker and high blood pressure on meds, could be very stressed and have a cardiac event that he did not count on. Right there, that's it. A reasonable outcome. Even roughing up someone on blood thinners bears a large risk. I don't think based on the Nest cam get up this was a sophisticated individual (though he may have experience). Once the mark is deceased then I can see the whole cliche panic "Oh man, I got to get rid of the body" scenario kick in.

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Unfortunately I think your last paragraph is particularly true.

I mean, there are a lot of health related things that someone of age can hear about and theoretically be like "yeah, uh-huh, makes sense"; but if they have no personal experience in situations, it doesn't "really" sink in (and I'm speaking of myself wrapped up in here).

Kidnappers generally aren't senior citizens themselves; thus I can absolutely imagine a scenario where they never considered that it would be life-threateningly dangerous to kidnap someone medically compromised.

SMK777 said:

Have seen a few cases like that.
Or a couple of months into the investigation, someone who'd been seen as unimportant and interviewed and cleared on day one, is given a second look, and this time there are big red flags.

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Yes, I believe, in this case, after FBI have gone through some of the videos, they will get some good clues, identify the perpetrators. I hope within a month or two.
I hope it’s not like the Sheriff thought, that it could be a year to process evidence, lead to someone.
Local people must be afraid, even though the crime is thought to be targeted.
JMO