Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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The suspect (SWB -Suspect With Backpack) appears to move in a way that is:

1. measured
2. deliberate
3. not fast / not reckless
4. visually scanning downward
5. placing his feet carefully
6. not charging the porch like a smash-and-grab burglar
7. comfortable enough with footing to keep balance while carrying gear

That can fit someone who is used to:

1. yards
2. rocks
3. irrigation edges
4. uneven walkways
5. gravel
6. cactus / thorny plants
7. stepping around landscaping
8. outdoor work at dawn/dark

That would fit a grounds worker, a handyman, an irrigation tech, a maintenance person, a contractor, an outdoor laborer, a gardener, a property worker.

He does not move like a polished tactical entry person, a fast burglar, a frantic addict or a “rush the door” offender IMO.
He looks more like someone who is doing a task, working functionally through a problem. Does that feel contractor like?

I want to emphasize that the same careful stepping can also fit (asking Google..):
  • someone carrying a weapon
  • someone carrying a full backpack
  • someone trying to stay quiet
  • someone anxious about being seen
  • someone in unfamiliar footing
  • someone in gloves / restrictive clothing
  • someone older or stiff
  • someone trying not to slip on tile / concrete transition
  • someone trying to avoid leaving obvious trace
  • someone who already knows there may be a camera overhead
So, I’m am only trying to narrow down the possible occupation of the suspect in addition to his criminal career.

Having said that the quick use of nearby plant material and the comfort handling of vegetation without hesitation, could it hint at a landscape contractor background IMO? The hip hinge instead of bending his knee(s) is common in people who frequently pick up tools, grab debris, move small objects, reach for branches / clippings / dropped items and work in a “keep moving” rhythm.

That does feel workmanlike IMO!

ALL IMO,
Nin
 
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Napoli said:
The description per FBI:

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $100,000 for information leading to the location of Nancy Guthrie and/or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Phoenix Field Office and the Pima County Sheriff's Department in Arizona are investigating the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, last seen at her residence in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood of Tucson, Arizona, on the evening of January 31, 2026. She is considered to be a vulnerable adult who has difficulty walking, has a pacemaker, and needs daily medication for a heart condition. This video show an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance. The FBI seeks information that will lead to the identity of this individual. This is one of two videos.

So, they are concentrating on the video and a perp who appears to have tampered with the camera THE CAMERA THE MORNING of her disappearance. Notice, it doesnt say male... just armed individual. JMO
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On the FBI poster it does state male (IMO): The images above show an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance. The suspect is described as a male, approximately 5’9” to 5’10”, with an average build. In the video, he is wearing a black, 25-liter ‘Ozark Trail Hiker Pack’ backpack. The FBI seeks information that will lead to the identity of this individual.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrie/@@download.pdf

www.fbi.gov

NANCY GUTHRIE | Federal Bureau of Investigation

January 31, 2026 Tucson, Arizona
www.fbi.gov www.fbi.gov
 
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No it's not said:
That does feel workmanlike IMO!
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I feel there's a much simpler explanation in that he knew what the front yard was like and knew there was a step up into the porch and was just making sure he wasn't going to trip over anything. He looks down and turns on the light on briefly to confirm the step is where he thought it was

It doesn't have to be any special type of worker or person, just someone who had previous knowledge of the property. It could be a workman but could just as easily be because he cased the property on previous visits as the FBI date questions seem to imply IMO
 
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FromGermany1 said:
I wonder, why both times there were demanded ransom sums, which consist of the number 6. 6 million in bitcoin and 66 million in bitcoin. 🤔
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Maybe it has something to do with this:

"Bitcoin culture is rich with memes, catchphrases, and inside jokes that go beyond finance to capture the community’s values. Among these, one of the most iconic is the 6.15 Bitcoin meme, a symbol of “eternal riches” that has gained almost mythical status among Bitcoiners. If you've spent time in Bitcoin forums or Twitter discussions, you've likely seen 6.15 BTC referenced as an ultimate goal—an amount that promises not only wealth but an exclusive spot in Bitcoin's future elite.

But where did the 6.15 BTC meme come from, and why has it become such a powerful motivator for Bitcoiners around the world? Let’s dive into the origins of this meme, its implications for Bitcoin wealth, and what it represents in the larger Bitcoin culture." ...
...
"As Bitcoin’s price has risen over the years, the target of 6.15 BTC has become more challenging. Newcomers might feel it’s an unattainable goal due to the high price, but the 6.15 BTC meme remains relevant as a cultural milestone and a reminder of Bitcoin’s unique attributes:.."

fomo21.com

6.15 Bitcoin Meme Explained: How This Iconic Goal Became a Symbol of Bitcoin Wealth and Community

The 6.15 Bitcoin meme has become legendary in the Bitcoin community, symbolizing financial freedom and exclusivity. Originating from a viral tweet by Binance CEO CZ and Bitcoin personality American HO
fomo21.com fomo21.com

all imo
 
  • #46,305
Napoli said:
That was great. i have a question. Windows on either side of the door. Could they have been cut? A panel cut....with a glass cutter? It could have been in the backpack? Then a perp could just reach in and around? Unlock inner door? MOO
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That would certainly qualify as forced entry. I don't think anyone has noticed a missing pane of glass in the pictures, but we might not have been looking for that specifically.
 
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Napoli said:
I copied this. Below where it says watch on you tube. NANCY GUTHRIE | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Of course i think it's a male. I just copied the description I saw posted as above. jmo
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Yes, the poster you link to describes him as:

... an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door....

But further down it says,

The suspect is described as a male, approximately 5’9” to 5’10”, with an average build. In the video, he is wearing a black, 25-liter ‘Ozark Trail Hiker Pack’ backpack.
The FBI seeks information that will lead to the identity of this individual.
 
  • #46,308
No it's not said:
The suspect (SWB -Suspect With Backpack) appears to move in a way that is:

1. measured
2. deliberate
3. not fast / not reckless
4. visually scanning downward
5. placing his feet carefully
6. not charging the porch like a smash-and-grab burglar
7. comfortable enough with footing to keep balance while carrying gear

That can fit someone who is used to:

1. yards
2. rocks
3. irrigation edges
4. uneven walkways
5. gravel
6. cactus / thorny plants
7. stepping around landscaping
8. outdoor work at dawn/dark

That would fit a grounds worker, a handyman, an irrigation tech, a maintenance person, a contractor, an outdoor laborer, a gardener, a property worker.

He does not move like a polished tactical entry person, a fast burglar, a frantic addict or a “rush the door” offender IMO.
He looks more like someone who is doing a task, working functionally through a problem. Does that feel contractor like?

I want to emphasize that the same careful stepping can also fit (asking Google..):
  • someone carrying a weapon
  • someone carrying a full backpack
  • someone trying to stay quiet
  • someone anxious about being seen
  • someone in unfamiliar footing
  • someone in gloves / restrictive clothing
  • someone older or stiff
  • someone trying not to slip on tile / concrete transition
  • someone trying to avoid leaving obvious trace
  • someone who already knows there may be a camera overhead
So, I’m am only trying to narrow down the possible occupation of the suspect in addition to his criminal career.

Having said that the quick use of nearby plant material and the comfort handling of vegetation without hesitation, could it hint at a landscape contractor background IMO? The hip hinge instead of bending his knee(s) is common in people who frequently pick up tools, grab debris, move small objects, reach for branches / clippings / dropped items and work in a “keep moving” rhythm.

That does feel workmanlike IMO!

ALL IMO,
Nin
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I would also argue that this could fit the profile of someone who may be a hiker, or is familiar with the community/area for other reasons outside of a laboring-type job...or even someone who works out and does challenging things at the gym (with balance).

JMO.
 
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Doesn't look like anything new in the case for the last couple of weeks.

So I'll come back when there is a development in a few weeks
 
  • #46,310
In reality it was reported the first request was 4 million in NG case.
Jade said:
Maybe it has something to do with this:

"Bitcoin culture is rich with memes, catchphrases, and inside jokes that go beyond finance to capture the community’s values. Among these, one of the most iconic is the 6.15 Bitcoin meme, a symbol of “eternal riches” that has gained almost mythical status among Bitcoiners. If you've spent time in Bitcoin forums or Twitter discussions, you've likely seen 6.15 BTC referenced as an ultimate goal—an amount that promises not only wealth but an exclusive spot in Bitcoin's future elite.

But where did the 6.15 BTC meme come from, and why has it become such a powerful motivator for Bitcoiners around the world? Let’s dive into the origins of this meme, its implications for Bitcoin wealth, and what it represents in the larger Bitcoin culture." ...
...
"As Bitcoin’s price has risen over the years, the target of 6.15 BTC has become more challenging. Newcomers might feel it’s an unattainable goal due to the high price, but the 6.15 BTC meme remains relevant as a cultural milestone and a reminder of Bitcoin’s unique attributes:.."

fomo21.com

6.15 Bitcoin Meme Explained: How This Iconic Goal Became a Symbol of Bitcoin Wealth and Community

The 6.15 Bitcoin meme has become legendary in the Bitcoin community, symbolizing financial freedom and exclusivity. Originating from a viral tweet by Binance CEO CZ and Bitcoin personality American HO
fomo21.com fomo21.com

all imo
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maskedwoman said:
I agree 100%. Remember that crime years ago in Connecticut? The poor Petit family was followed home from the grocery, tied up, assaulted, the home set on fire. Their neighborhood was very nice until the day that nightmare took place.
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I remember that well. I was at that Stop & Shop in Cheshire that morning and lived only about 2 miles from the Petit family house. It shocked everyone because Cheshire was considered a very safe town. Now I'm in Tucson.
 
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maskedwoman said:
That would certainly qualify as forced entry. I don't think anyone has noticed a missing pane of glass in the pictures, but we might not have been looking for that specifically.
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For AZ law, it just means non-consensual entry.

12-1172. Definition of forcible entry

A "forcible entry," or an entry where entry is not given by law within the meaning of this article, is:

1. An entry without the consent of the person having the actual possession.

2. As to a landlord, an entry upon the possession of his tenant at will or by sufferance, whether with or without the tenant's consent.
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JMO.
 
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Arkay said:
Thank you, @BetteDavisEyes

This is a good reminder. Teaching English in NYC, we were required once a week to teach a program entitled “News Literacy.” It had a rubric and many lessons on how to discern the legitimacy of a source, detect bias, etc.

Very helpful and the kids enjoyed it (so did I), but this was before the advent of A.I., which I believe necessitates more advanced skills than previously to distinguish between what is genuine or false.

It’s why I so appreciate that at WS we can only use verifiable sources.

JMO and experience.
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But... But. But.....verifiable includes every talking head who wants to spout a theory as long as they are being interviewed on what is considered MSM.. They are quoted daily here. That's not news. That's speculation. That imo, is no more valuable than we are. (AFTER ALL, WE ARE SPECULATING TOO!) jmo
 
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No it's not said:
The suspect (SWB -Suspect With Backpack) appears to move in a way that is:

1. measured
2. deliberate
3. not fast / not reckless
4. visually scanning downward
5. placing his feet carefully
6. not charging the porch like a smash-and-grab burglar
7. comfortable enough with footing to keep balance while carrying gear

That can fit someone who is used to:

1. yards
2. rocks
3. irrigation edges
4. uneven walkways
5. gravel
6. cactus / thorny plants
7. stepping around landscaping
8. outdoor work at dawn/dark

That would fit a grounds worker, a handyman, an irrigation tech, a maintenance person, a contractor, an outdoor laborer, a gardener, a property worker.

He does not move like a polished tactical entry person, a fast burglar, a frantic addict or a “rush the door” offender IMO.
He looks more like someone who is doing a task, working functionally through a problem. Does that feel contractor like?

I want to emphasize that the same careful stepping can also fit (asking Google..):
  • someone carrying a weapon
  • someone carrying a full backpack
  • someone trying to stay quiet
  • someone anxious about being seen
  • someone in unfamiliar footing
  • someone in gloves / restrictive clothing
  • someone older or stiff
  • someone trying not to slip on tile / concrete transition
  • someone trying to avoid leaving obvious trace
  • someone who already knows there may be a camera overhead
So, I’m am only trying to narrow down the possible occupation of the suspect in addition to his criminal career.

Having said that the quick use of nearby plant material and the comfort handling of vegetation without hesitation, could it hint at a landscape contractor background IMO? The hip hinge instead of bending his knee(s) is common in people who frequently pick up tools, grab debris, move small objects, reach for branches / clippings / dropped items and work in a “keep moving” rhythm.

That does feel workmanlike IMO!

ALL IMO,
Nin
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So it could be pretty much anyone. IMO
 
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No it's not said:
The suspect (SWB -Suspect With Backpack) appears to move in a way that is:

1. measured
2. deliberate
3. not fast / not reckless
4. visually scanning downward
5. placing his feet carefully
6. not charging the porch like a smash-and-grab burglar
7. comfortable enough with footing to keep balance while carrying gear

That can fit someone who is used to:

1. yards
2. rocks
3. irrigation edges
4. uneven walkways
5. gravel
6. cactus / thorny plants
7. stepping around landscaping
8. outdoor work at dawn/dark

That would fit a grounds worker, a handyman, an irrigation tech, a maintenance person, a contractor, an outdoor laborer, a gardener, a property worker.

He does not move like a polished tactical entry person, a fast burglar, a frantic addict or a “rush the door” offender IMO.
He looks more like someone who is doing a task, working functionally through a problem. Does that feel contractor like?

I want to emphasize that the same careful stepping can also fit (asking Google..):
  • someone carrying a weapon
  • someone carrying a full backpack
  • someone trying to stay quiet
  • someone anxious about being seen
  • someone in unfamiliar footing
  • someone in gloves / restrictive clothing
  • someone older or stiff
  • someone trying not to slip on tile / concrete transition
  • someone trying to avoid leaving obvious trace
  • someone who already knows there may be a camera overhead
So, I’m am only trying to narrow down the possible occupation of the suspect in addition to his criminal career.

Having said that the quick use of nearby plant material and the comfort handling of vegetation without hesitation, could it hint at a landscape contractor background IMO? The hip hinge instead of bending his knee(s) is common in people who frequently pick up tools, grab debris, move small objects, reach for branches / clippings / dropped items and work in a “keep moving” rhythm.

That does feel workmanlike IMO!

ALL IMO,
Nin
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He could be an English teacher who cut lawns as he worked his way through college..lol I just think he rehearsed this in his head a million times..Handled the camera well. He is NOT risk averse but took every precaution he could. He kept his eyes on the prize and didnt get caught up or flustered by minutiae. Just my opinion. MOO
 
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submarine7 said:
This is so strange to me that it gives me an unpleasant visceral reaction. The likelihood of teenagers pulling off an elaborate criminal scheme is next to none so I question the sense of anyone who elects to join criminal forces with them. WTH? I question if the real end game is destroying teenagers' lives.

If they are foreign actors, depending on their origins, they would likely evade detection or prosecution. All of the time and energy it would take to coordinate with the teens sounds like too much work. It would be easier to earn 40 million than it would to count on them acquiring anything. The world's lost its collective mind.
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Indeed, an outfit that can get teenagers to do what they (the "puppet masters") want might make more money specializing in advising the parents of teens.

On the other hand, it's a bit weird that both demands for bitcoin included the number 6. But if those making the ransom demand in NG's case were opportunists rather than those involved in her abduction, that could be a bitcoin thing and not because her abduction had any relation to the Scottsdale home invasion.

JMO
 
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shonyakay said:
Good point. Also why would someone need to force entry into the home, like MSM reported from investigation sources early on, if a key was available to use?
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Lots of places on that property to hide a key. Or maybe she didn't hide one outside at all. If they came in through their front, they apparently did not break anything. MOO
 
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FaviousM said:
I feel there's a much simpler explanation in that he knew what the front yard was like and knew there was a step up into the porch and was just making sure he wasn't going to trip over anything. He looks down and turns on the light on briefly to confirm the step is where he thought it was

It doesn't have to be any special type of worker or person, just someone who had previous knowledge of the property. It could be a workman but could just as easily be because he cased the property on previous visits as the FBI date questions seem to imply IMO
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VeronicaVaughn said:
I would also argue that this could fit the profile of someone who may be a hiker, or is familiar with the community/area for other reasons outside of a laboring-type job...or even someone who works out and does challenging things at the gym (with balance).

JMO.
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NavySubMom said:
So it could be pretty much anyone. IMO
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Thank you for your inputs. I am trying to put together a profile based on the subject’s behavior / movement, outfit / gear, body build / physique, posture / gait and how the person interacts with the scene.

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks,
Nin
 
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maskedwoman said:
Lots of places on that property to hide a key. Or maybe she didn't hide one outside at all. If they came in through their front, they apparently did not break anything. MOO
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To your point Lantana man didn't even look around for a key. If they wanted easy access you'd think they'd have looked around for one. IF they were the one to enter the house. So seems as though his 'job' was something other than gaining entry IMO.
 
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Napoli said:
He could be an English teacher who cut lawns as he worked his way through college..lol I just think he rehearsed this in his head a million times..Handled the camera well. He is NOT risk averse but took every precaution he could. He kept his eyes on the prize and didnt get caught up or flustered by minutiae. Just my opinion. MOO
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Yes, he could be an English teacher, who is cutting lawns. He would be a gardener or a property worker then. I think I covered that. ;)

-Nin
 
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