I have found that there's a sense of complacency that can set in, even with cameras. If she had let the subscription lapse I have to wonder how actively she was checking her system/alerts. Do we know if alerts are sent with a lapsed subscription? All jmo/thoughts/musings.
Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026
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I'm about 90% in agreement.
There isn't a good explanation for why a criminal would break into someone's home and go to the trouble to remove them from the area, especially an elderly person with serious health problems and limited mobility. Kidnapping, however, is just one of the crimes they're guilty of.
I also still think it was a ransom.....but also a test run to see how well using bitcoin would work for receiving payments.
IMO this same method will be used again. And they will target high income families.
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We are all trying to think of the logical reasons and methods of what may have happened but none of it makes sense, this makes me believe it was based around the perp’s urges and desires and there is no logic or being able to truly understand his thought process. He is a nutcase!
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Actually mental health or delusion is one of the top 8 reasons to kidnap someone. I just looked it up. LOL
Top 8 Reasons Why Kidnappers Commit Abductions
A Kidnappers private detective explains 8 shocking reasons behind abductions, from money motives to revenge and emotional control.
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I personally am not surprised that they did not search for the body. What are the chances of finding a body in the desert? Although I think that the body is gone and they will not find anything. I saw the detective's comment that they are investigating a murder without a body, and it seems that way to me too. They are looking for a suspect, because the chances of finding a body are even lower than the suspect. This is just my opinion.
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I think they're probably hoping that once they find a suspect, they'll be able to get a decent idea of his movements post-crime, and that will lead them to Nancy (or perhaps that they'll be able to strike a deal with the perp(s) if they reveal the location of her body)
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If NG/SG/AG offended someone so much via the course of her/their actions or inactions, her/their words or silences, that a seething vengeful act was warranted (in someone's eyes), it wouldn't be a secret kept so well that no one would know about it, or that no one wouldn't soon discover in the course of their investigation. Besides, who wants this level of revenge if he can't gloat?
And even if that was the case, the likelihood that he'd also know how to make himself untraceable online by the FBI - who hires the best hackers on the planet - is infinitisimally small.
And most importantly, why give law enforcement one more shot at identifying you with a elaborate ruse?
JMO.
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A K9 would show it could be from the crime scene with a track, either from the scene to the item, or from the item to the scene.
Forensics or evidence visible on the item would have to link it if, for example, it was taken by car and left somewhere else. It would be different if a bloodhound was used to alert that a found article matched the scent of a known person. At any rate, in a case like this, almost anything and everything will be collected. MOO
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If NG's abductor was delusional and/or not in control of his logical faculties/devices, it is unlikely that his organization would have been so elaborate, methodical, and most importantly - anonymous.
This isn't a crime of crazy.
JMO.
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Strong possibility.
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What in their (known) actions were elaborate and methodical and organized, in your opinion?
To me, he just suddenly realized there was a camera - oops, lets cover it with that thing - plant - over - oh, there. There was no planning in the way he packed his rucksack or his pockets imo, it made him move this way and that and (imo) forced him to put the gun in a VERY inconvenient place. There is no pre-planning in this at all, just some spontaneous ideas like oops! need to do this now, oops, forgot about that.
How do you mean "elaborate, methodical, and most importantly - anonymous."
imo he's showing junkie behaviours and he got lucky with the anonymity bit.
Care to share your thinking here?
(i'm not being hostile, genuinely would like to know your way of thinking here
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This is why I'm going with my current theory. If a controller from afar hired kidnappers he didn't know and gave them instructions, then we have criminals with no ties to Nancy Guthrie. Random crime. Picked because Tucson is sleepy and SG, a known multi-millionaire, had publicized her mother. The hardest crimes to solve are those in which there are no ties to the victim. -- The ransom, imo, was alway going to be in bitcoin since it's untraceable and very low risk. But if the kidnappers mess up, then the controller has no credible way to ask for ransom. With no witnesses, no connections, unless there is DNA it could be unsolvable. Unless. . . a very smart tech person with the FBI is searching similar crimes and masterminds.
I know I'm not who you were asking but I have some thoughtsWhat in their (known) actions were elaborate and methodical and organized, in your opinion?
To me, he just suddenly realized there was a camera - oops, lets cover it with that thing - plant - over - oh, there. There was no planning in the way he packed his rucksack or his pockets imo, it made him move this way and that and (imo) forced him to put the gun in a VERY inconvenient place. There is no pre-planning in this at all, just some spontaneous ideas like oops! need to do this now, oops, forgot about that.
How do you mean "elaborate, methodical, and most importantly - anonymous."
imo he's showing junkie behaviours and he got lucky with the anonymity bit.
Care to share your thinking here?
(i'm not being hostile, genuinely would like to know your way of thinking here
IMO he wasn't forced to put the gun where he did, he put it there because it was the most visible place for it while keeping his hands free
I don't see any evidence that there's anything wrong with the way his backpack or pockets are packed. He has something in one pocket but none of the others seem stuffed with anything
As for him showing junkie behaviours, I just don't see it. His clothes seem far more clean/fresh than I'd expect from a junkie, and while he is for sure surprised by the camera (whether that's it's presence at all or the fact it was still online, I dunno) none of his movements are erratic. I also can't imagine a bite light would be a go to for your average junkie (hell, I'm not even sure a mask would be)
This is all just my opinion of course, but I see something much different to you when I look at the perp's actions, outfit and movements
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His hands weren't free though. He had stuff poking out of his pockets and a rucksack making him lean over.
There is film of him going towards and also away from the door that clearly shows him leaning over to one side, implying his backpack is packed with something heavy, in a hurry. Anyone who wears a backpack regularly can tell you you arrange the heavy stuff in the middle.
About him looking too clean and fresh to be a junkie, my brother was a junkie (heroin) for 25 years and this is why it made me think of him. He had NICE clothes, nice hair. Always looked decent. I'm not talking about the type of meth addicts that scratch their skin into hell here.
And how are his movements not erratic? Just because you don't shake does not mean you're not a junkie.
He has one thing poking out of one pocket, and we have no idea if the backpack is why he is leaningHis hands weren't free though. He had stuff poking out of his pockets and a rucksack making him lean over.
There is film of him going towards and also away from the door that clearly shows him leaning over to one side, implying his backpack is packed with something heavy, in a hurry. Anyone who wears a backpack regularly can tell you you arrange the heavy stuff in the middle.
About him looking too clean and fresh to be a junkie, my brother was a junkie (heroin) for 25 years and this is why it made me think of him. He had NICE clothes, nice hair. Always looked decent. I'm not talking about the type of meth addicts that scratch their skin into hell here.
And how are his movements not erratic? Just because you don't shake does not mean you're not a junkie.
What is erratic about his movements? Is the plant thing odd? Sure, but odd is not erratic. There is no panic in his movements IMO
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This afternoon's rabbit hole: I know several of us have suggested that the kidnapper had one motive and the ransom notes were simply a distraction to LE, or an opportunist. I started really thinking about what a distraction would actually accomplish for the suspect. Yes, it would force LE to assign some assets to trying to trace the ransom note. But the rest of LE are going to continue working the basics and trying to generate leads, because that's what they are trained to do. It's what generally works. I'm just thinking a ruse really wouldn't distract LE very much from following their training. NG is definitely gone, no matter the reason, and it's the basics that are going to get her back. Hopefully.
Some of the possible scenarios and backstories we have suggested would make great episodes of FBI, or a movie thriller. But in real life crime is almost never like Oceans' 11 where the criminals create this elaborate, multi-layered ruse to confuse the other side while they pull off their brilliant heist and end up on a beach laughing and counting their money. The only reason the Louvre heist was so successful was because their security was completely inept. I mean, they used Louvre as the password on their security system.
In reality, criminals specialize in crimes they think they are good at, and generally work on executing their primary plan and getting gone asap. Stealing the diamonds, murder, kidnapping - whatever it may be. They are focused on that one thing.
Some serial killers have taunted police but that wasn't intended as a distraction per se. It was part of the primary crime. The creepy serial killer taunts police to make LE feel stupid and, more importantly, to make themselves feel brilliant. Zodiac, BTK, Jack the Ripper, etc. It's apparently a foundational part of being a serial killer. Something their psyche needs as much as killing.
Please share your thoughts on this. It was like a few puzzle pieces suddenly clicked together in my head. It kind of scrambled my thoughts about the ransom notes, but I'll work on that again later. I would love to see how this strikes you all. Thx!!
Some of the possible scenarios and backstories we have suggested would make great episodes of FBI, or a movie thriller. But in real life crime is almost never like Oceans' 11 where the criminals create this elaborate, multi-layered ruse to confuse the other side while they pull off their brilliant heist and end up on a beach laughing and counting their money. The only reason the Louvre heist was so successful was because their security was completely inept. I mean, they used Louvre as the password on their security system.
In reality, criminals specialize in crimes they think they are good at, and generally work on executing their primary plan and getting gone asap. Stealing the diamonds, murder, kidnapping - whatever it may be. They are focused on that one thing.
Some serial killers have taunted police but that wasn't intended as a distraction per se. It was part of the primary crime. The creepy serial killer taunts police to make LE feel stupid and, more importantly, to make themselves feel brilliant. Zodiac, BTK, Jack the Ripper, etc. It's apparently a foundational part of being a serial killer. Something their psyche needs as much as killing.
Please share your thoughts on this. It was like a few puzzle pieces suddenly clicked together in my head. It kind of scrambled my thoughts about the ransom notes, but I'll work on that again later. I would love to see how this strikes you all. Thx!!
I'm not sure the 'ransom note as a distraction' theory works for me. It feels like it's just giving LE another avenue to try and trace you so it's an unnecessary risk unless the money is at least part of the motive.This afternoon's rabbit hole: I know several of us have suggested that the kidnapper had one motive and the ransom notes were simply a distraction to LE, or an opportunist. I started really thinking about what a distraction would actually accomplish for the suspect. Yes, it would force LE to assign some assets to trying to trace the ransom note. But the rest of LE are going to continue working the basics and trying to generate leads, because that's what they are trained to do. It's what generally works. I'm just thinking a ruse really wouldn't distract LE very much from following their training. NG is definitely gone, no matter the reason, and it's the basics that are going to get her back. Hopefully.
Some of the possible scenarios and backstories we have suggested would make great episodes of FBI, or a movie thriller. But in real life crime is almost never like Oceans' 11 where the criminals create this elaborate, multi-layered ruse to confuse the other side while they pull off their brilliant heist and end up on a beach laughing and counting their money. The only reason the Louvre heist was so successful was because their security was completely inept. I mean, they used Louvre as the password on their security system.
In reality, criminals specialize in crimes they think they are good at, and generally work on executing their primary plan and getting gone asap. Stealing the diamonds, murder, kidnapping - whatever it may be. They are focused on that one thing.
Some serial killers have taunted police but that wasn't intended as a distraction per se. It was part of the primary crime. The creepy serial killer taunts police to make LE feel stupid and, more importantly, to make themselves feel brilliant. Zodiac, BTK, Jack the Ripper, etc. It's apparently a foundational part of being a serial killer. Something their psyche needs as much as killing.
Please share your thoughts on this. It was like a few puzzle pieces suddenly clicked together in my head. It kind of scrambled my thoughts about the ransom notes, but I'll work on that again later. I would love to see how this strikes you all. Thx!!
Though it is the kind of thing that someone who has learned all their criminaling from TV shows and movies might do
Mental health, but it would need to be one person.Actually mental health or delusion is one of the top 8 reasons to kidnap someone. I just looked it up. LOL
Top 8 Reasons Why Kidnappers Commit Abductions
A Kidnappers private detective explains 8 shocking reasons behind abductions, from money motives to revenge and emotional control.
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