GUILTY UT - Kouri Richins, 33, Author, wife, mom, charged in husband’s unexpected death last year, 8 May 2023 #3

otto · Mar 21, 2026

nhmemorymaker said:
Eric's,mother?

Yes, Eric's mother died under what might be described as "unusual circumstances" as well.

Megnut · Mar 21, 2026

otto said:
About the pre-nuptial agreement ... and Eric's mother insisting on it.

Eric's children were 10, 9, and 6 when Kouri was interviewed about the book. They were 9, 7, and 5 when Eric died. That means the oldest two children are less than two years apart.

One child was born before marriage. Was Kouri pregnant again when they got married? Perhaps she was pregnant again as soon as they were married to seal the deal. One more was born 3 years later.

I'm assuming that Eric, a devout Mormon, would want to get married before starting a family. Eric's mother was asking the right question: why would a single woman accidentally get pregnant in 2011? Unlike the 1950s, there are so many options to prevent accidental pregnancy - unless it's not accidental. If it's not accidental, then Eric needed to be protected from potential ulterior motives and worst case scenario that did unfold.

Eric's mother saw Kouri for who she is long before anyone else.

.... which is exactly why her death should be revisited.

There's motive. Family vacation gives opportunity. Only question remaining is means....

At the time maybe no one realized there were questions to ask.

I hope they're asking them now.

JMO

AnyNameIWish · Mar 21, 2026

otto said:
One child was born before marriage. Was Kouri pregnant again when they got married? Perhaps she was pregnant again as soon as they were married to seal the deal. One more was born 3 years later.

I'm assuming that Eric, a devout Mormon, would want to get married before starting a family. Eric's mother was asking the right question: why would a single woman accidentally get pregnant in 2011?

"Why would a single woman get pregnant" - I understand yes, there is a level of responsibility on Kouri's side... but... during the trial it became clear Eric was NOT a devout Mormon (drinking, premarital intercourse being 2 huge tenets).... so I'm not going to pin this on Kouri planning this tragedy from the time she was 22. It takes two to tango, as they say.

The Darden family and Richins family were far apart in society, and something like a prenup protects Eric with generational wealth but could leave Kouri with 50/50 custody and child support payments and some alimony. I'm not saying it's wrong. The way marriages work, sometimes it's easier to stay within your socioeconomic class. Again. NOT saying that's what should happen tho....

Kouri needed legal advice on the prenup right then and there and should have been able to stand up for herself. IF she was cornered to sign it, that's not cool.

otto · Mar 21, 2026

Megnut said:
.... which is exactly why her death should be revisited.

There's motive. Family vacation gives opportunity. Only question remaining is means....

At the time maybe no one realized there were questions to ask.

I hope they're asking them now.

JMO

If Kouri had something to do with the death of Eric's mother, it was poison designed to look like lung illness.

Eric's mother must have had a large "retirement fund", because his sister mentioned it when she gave her statement to prevent Kouri from being released on bail. She said that Kouri changed Eric's portion of the fund into her name after Eric died. It suggests that Kouri had her eye on her mother in law's money for a long time.

Megnut · Mar 21, 2026

At the risk of making our search histories worse than they probably already are, if we start from the proposition that the lung fungus was a vehicle for murder, how?

Is it possible?

Single exposure? Exposure over time?

Moon1871 · Mar 21, 2026

AnyNameIWish said:
"Why would a single woman get pregnant" - I understand yes, there is a level of responsibility on Kouri's side... but... during the trial it became clear Eric was NOT a devout Mormon (drinking, premarital intercourse being 2 huge tenets).... so I'm not going to pin this on Kouri planning this tragedy from the time she was 22. It takes two to tango, as they say.

The Darden family and Richins family were far apart in society, and something like a prenup protects Eric with generational wealth but could leave Kouri with 50/50 custody and child support payments and some alimony. I'm not saying it's wrong. The way marriages work, sometimes it's easier to stay within your socioeconomic class. Again. NOT saying that's what should happen tho....

Kouri needed legal advice on the prenup right then and there and should have been able to stand up for herself. IF she was cornered to sign it, that's not cool.

Kouri claims she was cornered. But usually prenups are discussed way before the actual wedding date, and I have no doubt that happened here too. Perhaps she refused to sign it, thinking she could manipulate Eric out of it, Kouri-style.
That didn't work, thankfully.

MOO

otto · Mar 21, 2026

AnyNameIWish said:
"Why would a single woman get pregnant" - I understand yes, there is a level of responsibility on Kouri's side... but... during the trial it became clear Eric was NOT a devout Mormon (drinking, premarital intercourse being 2 huge tenets).... so I'm not going to pin this on Kouri planning this tragedy from the time she was 22. It takes two to tango, as they say.

The Darden family and Richins family were far apart in society, and something like a prenup protects Eric with generational wealth but could leave Kouri with 50/50 custody and child support payments and some alimony. I'm not saying it's wrong. The way marriages work, sometimes it's easier to stay within your socioeconomic class. Again. NOT saying that's what should happen tho....

Kouri needed legal advice on the prenup right then and there and should have been able to stand up for herself. IF she was cornered to sign it, that's not cool.

No one is "cornered" into signing a pre-nuptial agreement. It's a straight up document where one or another (or both) party to the marriage declares that they are not getting married because they want their spouse's money. Honourable people should have no problem making that declaration when they get married.

If Kouri had waited just a little longer ... per Eric's father testimony, he wanted Eric to take over the family cattle ranch. That would have been the lottery win that Kouri wanted.

The pre-nup gave Kouri full control over Eric's half of the business, his house and his assets in the event that he died. That's a good deal! In the event of divorce, she was provided for, but would not own Eric's assets.

In 2020, Eric realized that the pre-nup was too generous, so he created a trust whereby his assets were managed by his sister. Kouri was provided everything she needed, but she did not own any assets.

Moon1871 · Mar 21, 2026

Megnut said:
At the risk of making our search histories worse than they probably already are, if we start from the proposition that the lung fungus was a vehicle for murder, how?

Is it possible?

Single exposure? Exposure over time?

Right! This must have been one of our craziest searches so far: can you poison someone with fungal spores?

I am now figuring out if I should DELETE my search history, or does that make me look even MORE suspicious lol

AnyNameIWish · Mar 21, 2026

Still pointing out that Eric took steps to procreate with Kouri. I do NOT believe she was planning his demise from that moment... and when you have children with someone it affects you financially in a big way if there's a huge wealth gap.

Going back to.....
That 20/20 piece! Sigh.
All i wanted were what AS (Kouri's childhood friend) and what Laura the Juror foreperson said and it was all sandwiched in between blah blah blah, of COURSE the Dardens are going to believe in their Kouri! We didn't need all their screen time tbh.

In my previous post I transcribed the words of AS in the 20/20 episode..

Here are the juror foreperson's words, Laura. It was not anything enlightening. We got a LOT more information from Nate's in depth interview yesterday with the 1 other female Juror. (4 others were women, but alternates.)

- I had heard headlines knew nothing about the case

-We couldn't talk about it... you could see it in each other's faces and their eyes like UHHH (hand to chest, head down)..... that was heartbreaking (about Josh Grossman breaking down on the stand)

-The entire 3 hours was constant robust electrifying discussion.

-There were some people on the fence with some of the elements like they felt that she was guilty but maybe the state didn't meet the burden. And so.. we focused on what some of those issues were that gave them pause...and then we all discussed at length and that helped kind of come to the conclusion and it helped people jump off the fence. To convict a woman for murder was absolutely heartbreaking.

steff13 · Mar 21, 2026

AnyNameIWish said:
Still pointing out that Eric took steps to procreate with Kouri. I do NOT believe she was planning his demise from that moment... and when you have children with someone it affects you financially in a big way if there's a huge wealth gap.

I am loathe to accuse a woman of "trapping" a man with a pregnancy. We're not privy to the nuances of that particular situation, and there are a vast range of possibilities as to how it transpired.

Having said that, there's no doubt ER was a "catch" for KR - I think they met while she was working a Home Depot, whereas ER was already successful, and, further, came from a well-off family. I certainly don't doubt that she looked at him and saw dollar signs. Nor do I doubt that she is the type of woman who would be dishonest about her birth control if she thought ER would feel obligated to marry her if she got pregnant. I don't believe she married him with the intention of eventually killing him, but I would be willing to believe she didn't love him, and marrying him was just a strategy to further her own ambition.

On my rewatch of the trial, the word "gummy" has lost all meaning.

otto · Mar 21, 2026

GHB. What was Kouri doing with that? Did she use it on Eric? On her children?

"In addition to the singular charge of murder, Kouri also faces three separate counts of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute, which authorities identified as gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, or GHB, a drug the DEA claims can cause amnesia and drowsiness.

A Complete Timeline Of Kouri Richins' Murder Case - Grunge

The murder case involving Kouri Richins is by far one of the most bizarre to take place in recent years. This is the complete timeline of the case so far.

www.grunge.com

otto · Mar 21, 2026

AnyNameIWish said:
Still pointing out that Eric took steps to procreate with Kouri. I do NOT believe she was planning his demise from that moment... and when you have children with someone it affects you financially in a big way if there's a huge wealth gap.

Going back to.....
That 20/20 piece! Sigh.
All i wanted were what AS (Kouri's childhood friend) and what Laura the Juror foreperson said and it was all sandwiched in between blah blah blah, of COURSE the Dardens are going to believe in their Kouri! We didn't need all their screen time tbh.

In my previous post I transcribed the words of AS in the 20/20 episode..

Here are the juror foreperson's words, Laura. It was not anything enlightening. We got a LOT more information from Nate's in depth interview yesterday with the 1 other female Juror. (4 others were women, but alternates.)

- I had heard headlines knew nothing about the case

-We couldn't talk about it... you could see it in each other's faces and their eyes like UHHH (hand to chest, head down)..... that was heartbreaking (about Josh Grossman breaking down on the stand)

-The entire 3 hours was constant robust electrifying discussion.

-There were some people on the fence with some of the elements like they felt that she was guilty but maybe the state didn't meet the burden. And so.. we focused on what some of those issues were that gave them pause...and then we all discussed at length and that helped kind of come to the conclusion and it helped people jump off the fence. To convict a woman for murder was absolutely heartbreaking.

I think that Kouri was thinking about how to take out several life insurance policies from the moment they got married. Less than two years later, she took the leap and purchased the policies without his knowledge:

2013 - married
2015 - several life insurance policies on Eric totalling $2 million, without Eric's knowledge
2016 - in financial distress

"The saga of Eric and Kouri Richins began over a decade ago, prior to getting married. They had their first son together in 2012, and their wedding date was June 15, 2013.
...

As a safeguard against future problems, Eric and Kouri Richins had a prenuptial agreement in place when they got married. In hindsight, the agreement certainly has some interesting and quite revealing provisions. According to the prosecution, there was a special contingency which gave Kouri control over all of Eric's assets, but only in the event that he died while they were still married.
...

Kouri had opened several life insurance policies on Eric also without his knowledge beginning in 2015, with total payouts amounting to just shy of $2 million.

Eric's sister Katie Richins-Benson alleged that by 2016 Kouri was in financial distress."

Timeline:

A Complete Timeline Of Kouri Richins' Murder Case - Grunge

The murder case involving Kouri Richins is by far one of the most bizarre to take place in recent years. This is the complete timeline of the case so far.

www.grunge.com

JosieMae · Mar 21, 2026

I look forward to the time when Eric's friends and family are able to speak publicly. There is A LOT we don't know.

LinasK · Mar 21, 2026

otto said:
Although I haven't watched the entire show yet, I'm curious whether the producers expected a not guilty verdict. That is, the show must have been in the works for a few months, and the story would be told through one lens or another. In this case, was the story told through the Kouri lens of her friends, her family, her innocence?

The defence, and others, have suggested that the drug dealing housekeeper was the key witness; without her, Kouri would have been found not guilty. That's like suggesting that, without Amber Fry, Scott Peterson would have been found not guilty. Both were strong witnesses that can be easily criticized, but I don't see the case against Kouri falling apart without testimony from the housekeeper.

Does the show echo the defence argument that guilt hinged on testimony from one witness?

One of the major true crime shows- can't remember if it was Dateline or 20/20 did that with the Karen Read trial. Filmed her talking about how many days until her freedom/innocence, whereas I watched it and thought "she's guilty!''

LinasK · Mar 21, 2026

AnyNameIWish said:
"Why would a single woman get pregnant" - I understand yes, there is a level of responsibility on Kouri's side... but... during the trial it became clear Eric was NOT a devout Mormon (drinking, premarital intercourse being 2 huge tenets).... so I'm not going to pin this on Kouri planning this tragedy from the time she was 22. It takes two to tango, as they say.

The Darden family and Richins family were far apart in society, and something like a prenup protects Eric with generational wealth but could leave Kouri with 50/50 custody and child support payments and some alimony. I'm not saying it's wrong. The way marriages work, sometimes it's easier to stay within your socioeconomic class. Again. NOT saying that's what should happen tho....

Kouri needed legal advice on the prenup right then and there and should have been able to stand up for herself. IF she was cornered to sign it, that's not cool.

But she COULD have been and turned out to be another Jodi Arias type and played on his Mormonism by getting pregnant intentionally to trap him into marriage knowing full well that he wasn't going to advocate for her to have an abortion and would feel obligated to marry her. Uloma Curry trapped her husband into marriage by faking Cancer, then had him murdered for the Life Insurance.

Megnut · Mar 21, 2026

otto said:
Although I haven't watched the entire show yet, I'm curious whether the producers expected a not guilty verdict. That is, the show must have been in the works for a few months, and the story would be told through one lens or another. In this case, was the story told through the Kouri lens of her friends, her family, her innocence?

The defence, and others, have suggested that the drug dealing housekeeper was the key witness; without her, Kouri would have been found not guilty. That's like suggesting that, without Amber Fry, Scott Peterson would have been found not guilty. Both were strong witnesses that can be easily criticized, but I don't see the case against Kouri falling apart without testimony from the housekeeper.

Does the show echo the defence argument that guilt hinged on testimony from one witness?

Maybe that explains some of the disjointedness, they were set to air, intentionally neutral, only editing to include the verdict.

LinasK · Mar 21, 2026

Megnut said:
Maybe that explains some of the disjointedness, they were set to air, intentionally neutral, only editing to include the verdict.

I didn't feel it was a neutral piece- all slanted towards coverage of Kouri's family and friends. Why weren't the Richins family and Eric's friends interviewed? Or the prosecutors???

Megnut · Mar 21, 2026

LinasK said:
I didn't feel it was a neutral piece- all slanted towards coverage of Kouri's family and friends. Why weren't the Richins family and Eric's friends interviewed? Or the prosecutors???

'Neutral' was not the right word; what I was intending is that 99% of it was ready for print, which they would run, whichever verdict.

My guess, ER's family chose to defer to the legal process.

JMO

Smelly Squirrel · Mar 21, 2026

I didn't find 20/20 slanted at all. Her family and AS and Lazaro were on her side obviously, but the commentators were not. It would be wrong if they didn't include her supporters. It wasn't them being unfair to not have Eric's family on, they would have if they wanted to be on. They could be declining all media until it's over, or maybe they're doing a different show. And the prosecutors are not talking to anybody yet. 20/20 did include Amy's bail hearing comments and the clips of his family in the parking lot and the statement they released. There's no pro-KR conspiracy here, it's a ridiculous idea.

Smelly Squirrel · Mar 21, 2026

otto said:
GHB. What was Kouri doing with that? Did she use it on Eric? On her children?

"In addition to the singular charge of murder, Kouri also faces three separate counts of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute, which authorities identified as gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, or GHB, a drug the DEA claims can cause amnesia and drowsiness.

A Complete Timeline Of Kouri Richins' Murder Case - Grunge

The murder case involving Kouri Richins is by far one of the most bizarre to take place in recent years. This is the complete timeline of the case so far.

www.grunge.com

GHB is a "date rape drug." But they dropped that charge for some reason. Does anybody know more about what happened there?

The charges said she possessed it on or about January, 2022 and on or about February 11, 2022.
GHB metabolizes quickly and can't be detected in blood after a few hours.

It seems like she used quetiapine to make him sleepy, but did she use it instead of GHB or did she use both?

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