GUILTY UT - Kouri Richins, 33, Author, wife, mom, charged in husband’s unexpected death last year, 8 May 2023 #3

LinasK said:

I didn't feel it was a neutral piece- all slanted towards coverage of Kouri's family and friends. Why weren't the Richins family and Eric's friends interviewed? Or the prosecutors???

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Agreed! I think the atty SL has nothing to lose, everything to gain, by being media ready so I wasn't surprised but the interviews from family Kouri and her business friend Greg Hall seem to have been PRE verdict I think?

The only interview of those involved in the case POST verdict were the juror & Ali her BFF?

I think until a sentence is handed down the Richins family are smart to avoid all media. Same goes with the attorneys on both sides. They made a loving statement on the day of the verdict. That's all that's needed now until they make their impact statements in May. On what would have been Eric's birthday.

I think both sexes participate in “trapping” someone in a relationship through pregnancy. It’s not only women who do this. Men put holes in condoms to achieve this. I would not be surprised at all if KR always saw Eric as just a ladder to upward mobility. Bloodworth talked about her sense of inferiority due to her impoverished upbringing and her desperation to appear successful and well-off. Let me put it this way - if he was a drifter like Grossman would she have gotten pregnant? A woman that ambitious? No way. She would’ve slunk off and had an abortion without telling him if she had been so careless.

She’s ruthless and I think the prenup tells us exactly what the Richins family saw her as.

Do we know whether Kouri and Eric were in Hawaii on March 26, 2018?

"Linda Kay Carter Richins [born 1958] believed in living life to the fullest. She passed away on March 26, 2018, surrounded by her loving family in Kauai, Hawaii."

otto said:

Do we know whether Kouri and Eric were in Hawaii on March 26, 2018?

"Linda Kay Carter Richins [born 1958] believed in living life to the fullest. She passed away on March 26, 2018, surrounded by her loving family in Kauai, Hawaii."

Linda Richins Obituary March 26, 2018 - Walker Mortuary

View Linda Richins's obituary, send flowers, find service dates, and sign the guestbook.

www.walker-mortuary.com

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This is what I want to know!!! We know Kouri and Eric were in Hawaii in 2018 for a friend's wedding, but was that wedding trip also the trip where Linda dies? How many family trips to Hawaii could there have been in 2018? They were wealthy and travelled a lot, but still. It can't be a coincidence!

Smelly Squirrel said:

I didn't find 20/20 slanted at all. Her family and AS and Lazaro were on her side obviously, but the commentators were not. It would be wrong if they didn't include her supporters. It wasn't them being unfair to not have Eric's family on, they would have if they wanted to be on. They could be declining all media until it's over, or maybe they're doing a different show. And the prosecutors are not talking to anybody yet. 20/20 did include Amy's bail hearing comments and the clips of his family in the parking lot and the statement they released. There's no pro-KR conspiracy here, it's a ridiculous idea.

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I never used the word "conspiracy"- don't put words into my mouth. But IMO 20/20 very definitely DID choose to have a Pro- Kouri slant to the piece they aired, just as the ones who did with Karen Read. The Darden family and friends got way more airtime than the few talking heads like Matt Murphy who contributed knowledge of the law and Kouri's actions.

Megnut said:

Maybe that explains some of the disjointedness, they were set to air, intentionally neutral, only editing to include the verdict.

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I hope Dateline does a good program on the case. Less people, more details.

browneyes said:

I hope Dateline does a good program on the case. Less people, more details.

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And no more speculation, she's been convicted, she's guilty as charged.

The 911 call. No cpr. The call to the ME, the assault on ER's sister, the celebration, the children's book, the WTD letter -- it all becomes so revolting.

She cared nothing about the trail of wreckage she left behind.

JMO

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Megnut said:

And no more speculation, she's been convicted, she's guilty as charged.

The 911 call. No cpr. The call to the ME, the assault on ER's sister, the celebration, the children's book, the WTD letter -- it all becomes so revolting.

She cared nothing about the trail of wreckage she left behind.

JMO

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The Google searches. Never forget the Google searches!

Megnut said:

35m

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I preferred the version with the hungry baby beaver!

LinasK said:

I never used the word "conspiracy"- don't put words into my mouth. But IMO 20/20 very definitely DID choose to have a Pro- Kouri slant to the piece they aired, just as the ones who did with Karen Read. The Darden family and friends got way more airtime than the few talking heads like Matt Murphy who contributed knowledge of the law and Kouri's actions.

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I respect your thoughts, and I'm sure you have seen I am a million miles from being a KR sympathizer. But I gotta agree with SS - when I watched the 20/20 show (which I did leisurely, when I had time to watch), I thought it was a very fair retelling of what happened. Pro-Kouri? Not even close, imo.

It seemed to me they laid out the evidence in an "as discovered" fashion, making the story into a semi-mystery that started as "Who killed ER" and then gradually more and more things emerge to reveal what happened and how everything pointed to KR.

I found the videos of the crime scene they selected to be informative, even if they looked like KR didn't do it. Because, at that point, that's what it looked like. That's fair.

20/20 revealed her world of manipulation and greed and fraud that swirled everywhere, which they could have left out (because it wasn't directly things that killed ER) but didn't. How she defrauded her friend, and even questions about fraud (mold) in her early house flip. In their story they showed how the major points against her emerged, and how they stacked up to make it clearer and clearer she did it. They offered a fairly even-handed look at the CL testimony. Made mention of her manipulation of Josh the bf -- not their word, but they told that story too in a way that showed her callousness. They even got some interesting comments from the strongest pro-KR witness, Aly, expressing after trial how hard it was for her that she lost close friends - not just ER to death, but KR to being a brutal killer (not the way she expressed it, but they had her saying how KR had gone from her dear friend to a person that she didn't even know.)

Yes, they let KR's family share they believed she just couldn't have done it - but that's no shock. That's fair to include. Skye L said a lot because she had ties to the case, and of course slanted the evidence to KR's angle, which was no surprise either, but iirc she never expressed any idea that KR was innocent, which I found interesting, and she even offered some fair admissions on how some of the evidence was really damaging to KR. IIRC they didn't get any direct post-trial quotes from ER's family, but they still gave them a voice by using their blunt words against KR in hearings and PCs over the years.

And they had commenters driving the story telling how this pointed at KR, then that, then this, then that -- with no explanation by KR. IMO they did a good job of capturing how KR/def kept teasing an alternate expanation, then when it was time to show it, they had nothing (seeming to indicate they had no defense, which is a major admission).

All in all, I thought it reasonable and fair. For anyone who hsn't watched it, don't get scared away - I think it was a good, easy listening account of the essence of the case and the majority of the main points. They didn't delve into ALL the details and fine points, probably for a lack of time, but they did a pretty good job imo of showing the case.

Dreamcherry said:

The Google searches. Never forget the Google searches!

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Yes! That- innocent people don't google search luxury prisons.

Megnut said:

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I am more interested to hear what his family has to say at sentencing, because I'm sure we haven't heard everything she's done.

otto said:

Do we know whether Kouri and Eric were in Hawaii on March 26, 2018?

"Linda Kay Carter Richins [born 1958] believed in living life to the fullest. She passed away on March 26, 2018, surrounded by her loving family in Kauai, Hawaii."

Linda Richins Obituary March 26, 2018 - Walker Mortuary

View Linda Richins's obituary, send flowers, find service dates, and sign the guestbook.

www.walker-mortuary.com

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oh jeez

did she have money by any chance?

On day 11 of the trial they are going over transcripts I believe of phone calls and what would be redacted for the jury. There is a statement that the defense wanted unredacted, and the judge says something like, "I don't understand why the defendant wants that unredacted, we have worked real hard to keep it out." Ultimately, the defense agrees that they do not want it unredacted but does anybody have any idea what that statement might have been?

steff13 said:

On day 11 of the trial they are going over transcripts I believe of phone calls and what would be redacted for the jury. There is a statement that the defense wanted unredacted, and the judge says something like, "I don't understand why the defendant wants that unredacted, we have worked real hard to keep it out." Ultimately, the defense agrees that they do not want it unredacted but does anybody have any idea what that statement might have been?

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Rewatching....

Came across this gem at 27m

Ms. Nester: I'm getting just a little bit lost.

Dramatic understatement.

At 28m the judge references the lines the Defense wants unredacted, of which he makes your comment about not understanding why they'd want to unredact it when they'd worked so hard to keep it out. Defense withdraws. No discussion however of what was in that portion.

steff13 said:

On day 11 of the trial they are going over transcripts I believe of phone calls and what would be redacted for the jury. There is a statement that the defense wanted unredacted, and the judge says something like, "I don't understand why the defendant wants that unredacted, we have worked real hard to keep it out." Ultimately, the defense agrees that they do not want it unredacted but does anybody have any idea what that statement might have been?

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I believe it's transcripts of Kouri's interview with O'Driscoll.

Back in January there was a pre-trial hearing closed to the public, because they wanted to protect potential jurors from coming across evidence that the judge hadn't yet ruled on admissibility in the trial.

There's an indication in this article of some of the matters he ruled on at that hearing.

"This was one of many rulings 3rd District Judge Richard Mrazik made during a closed hearing on Thursday where attorneys from both sides argued about whether certain evidence could be brought into the trial. The details and reasoning behind the rulings given at the hearings have not been made public, and Mrazik said Wednesday the audio record of the hearing would remain private, citing concerns that potential jury members who have already returned forms would see details that have not yet been made public.

An outline of the hearing was published shortly after it finished.

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Mrazik granted a motion from prosecutors asking that evidence Eric Richins may have abused Kouri Richins not be allowed at trial. The motion said Kouri Richins told her father-in-law that her husband punched her and gave her a black eye and lip. It said she told her father-in-law she would provide video of the incident and never did, and none was found on her phone.

Prosecutors with the Summit County Attorney's Office claimed the information was not relevant and would cause prejudice and be "improper character evidence."


Obviously I don't know if this was what the judge was referring to.

Lebowski said:

oh jeez

did she have money by any chance?

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I think she did. When Eric's sister spoke at Kouri's bail hearing, she said that soon after Eric's death, Kouri changed documents to ensure that she received cheques from Eric's mother's "retirement fund".

otto said:

I think she did. When Eric's sister spoke at Kouri's bail hearing, she said that soon after Eric's death, Kouri changed documents to ensure that she received cheques from Eric's mother's "retirement fund".

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And, in KR's mind, ER's mom stood between KR and ER's money.

Motive all over the place.

Megnut said:

And, in KR's mind, ER's mom stood between KR and ER's money.

Motive all over the place.

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We have heard that Eric's mother suggested the pre-nuptial agreement. I'm going to assume that she was the messenger, and not the only family member who questioned Kouri's motives behind getting pregnant before marrying a devout Mormon.

I agree that Kouri would hold Eric's mother responsible for protecting Eric's assets, and for ensuring that Kouri could not acquire Eric's house and business through divorce. Unfortunately, the pre-nup also stipulated that if Eric died while they were married, Kouri would acquire his house and business.

I believe that within 2 years of married, Kouri was already scheming to murder Eric. Two million in life insurance policies without his knowledge in 2015, and his murder 7 years later, suggests that Kouri always viewed Eric's death as a lottery win.

What surprised me with her many loans was that she took out a number of small loans to cover interest payments on those same loans. That tells us that not only was she looking for the big payout, but also small payouts. I suspect Eric's mother's "retirement fund" payout was a smaller monthly amount - but she wanted that too.


https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/kouri-richins-trial-are-you-with-me-book-mormon-utah-nxklw9cft