17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[annalia]

If someone breaks into your home and rapes your daughter and you shoot them, are you content with also being called a killer the rest of your days?

That analogy does not apply to this case in any way, shape or form.

JMHO

 

[Isabelle]

Only partially true. Zimmerman told them to just have the police call him to find out where he was.

Certainly he said that because he knew he wasn't going to be in one place!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

yeah great, let's give him another gun so he can blow away the UPS guy or an unfamiliar meter reader who is suspiciously lurking about in the bushes beside his house

Or the Black Panther that is trying to "capture" him.


IF anyone needs protection right now, it's Zimmerman.

JMO

 

[MarthaM]

Only partially true. Zimmerman told them to just have the police call him to find out where he was.

And from the first time I heard Zimmerman's call, that part sounded to me like what Zimmerman was really saying was, 'I'm going to follow this guy, so if the cops want to hook up with me they'll have to call me to find out where I am; I'm sure not going to stay in one place and wait for them.'

 

[Beyond Belief]

I am absolutely convinced you must be a trained officer to participate in any kind of efforts to make an arrest.

 

[vlpate]

Only partially true. Zimmerman told them to just have the police call him to find out where he was.

Because, if you listen to the call, he was on the cut through street and didn't know the name of the street. This leads me to believe he did get out to find the street sign and figured when they called back, he could tell them.

Zimmerman does not live in that gated community, as has been said here over and over, so he didn't know the interior street names.

 

[EGirl]

Are you seriously going to compare what happened to Trayvon to what would happen to someone who broke into a home and raped someone's daughter?

Your definition of a killer:

ANYONE that kills someone is a KILLER.


Not apples and oranges IMO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I don't think anyone disputes that TM was the victim. What is in dispute, appears (to me) to be whether GZ is a crazed vigilante racist or a concerned citizen who's actions led him into a confrontation that he could not have foreseen. (And I agree that he should have stayed in his car. IMO, what is being debated is whether not staying in his car is evidence of intent.)

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

I believe he was holding that neighborhood hostage in order to get what he wanted out of it for himself. Recognition and Acceptance from the people he wanted to desperately be like... Police!

 

[tehcloser]

We need big bottles of tylenol and tums for this one.

 

[cityslick]

Are you seriously going to compare what happened to Trayvon to what would happen to someone who broke into a home and raped someone's daughter?

I wasn't making a comparison. I was asking a simple question on the definition of the word 'killer'? I would assume your answer is no then?

 

[LolaMoon08]

Your definition of a killer:

ANYONE that kills someone is a KILLER.


Not apples and oranges IMO

Where did I say that? Please, I beg you to go and find where I said that!

 

[tambo]

I think the best thing would be to wait until the tox reports come back.

but what is that going to prove, we will still be stuck with who started the fight..if he has say pot in his system, which stays there for about a month..that doesn't really tell us anything...not to mention i think we all pretty much know that pot slows you down more than anything.. (duuuuuuuuude) lol my imitation of a pothead :seeya:

 

[HiHater]

Heard Mike Galanos mention the Funeral Director for Trayvon will be on NG tonight, and will tell what he saw! I wouldn't think that information is protected.

He may even have the family's permission. Wouldn't they have picked him?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

yeah great, let's give him another gun so he can blow away the UPS guy or an unfamiliar meter reader who is suspiciously lurking about in the bushes beside his house

or a suspicious 8 yr old black kid walking down the sidewalk.

 

[LambChop]

There's nothing weird about it. The only crime he was charged with was dropped because he went through a standard pre-trial diversion program. The domestic abuse allegations were just that. The fiancée filed a petition, they had a hearing, and the judge essentially told them to stay away from each other. It seemed like a pretty bad relationship on both sides. Nothing just up and vanished; there are legitimate reasons why he was never convicted of anything.

Right a police officer always drops the charges when a 21 year old shoves him. It was dropped at the judicial level. Domestic abuse charges, dropped at the judicial level. Homocide detective with SPD recommends an arrest and the SA drops the charges at the judicial level. Seems perfectly normally to me. My husband was with LE and I know for a fact political pressure was put on him many times to "drop the charges". Plus SPD has a history where it appears in some cases political pressure was applied. jmo

 

[Sensei]

I don't think anyone disputes that TM was the victim. What is in dispute, appears (to me) to be whether GZ is a crazed vigilante racist or a concerned citizen who's actions led him into a confrontation that he could not have foreseen. (And I agree that he should have stayed in his car. IMO, what is being debated is whether not staying in his car is evidence of intent.)

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

I can't get past the fact that he had a permit to carry a weapon and with that comes responsibility and that with neighborhood watch they tell you exactly what you should NOT do....IMO only since I don't think it is the law (but of course I feel like it should be) I can't stop feeling that with the training and such that GZ had, that this incident was entirely foreseeable....that he should have known that going after a teenager and following him while carrying loaded weapon had the distinct and probable possibility of going bad, and with a gun when stuff goes bad it goes really really bad. IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[tehcloser]

Because, if you listen to the call, he was on the cut through street and didn't know the name of the street. This leads me to believe he did get out to find the street sign and figured when they called back, he could tell them.

Zimmerman does not live in that gated community, as has been said here over and over, so he didn't know the interior street names.

hmmm........well if that's true, and he was not there by invite of one of the residents, he was tresspassing no? And this HOA? Wasn't it for the gated community?

 

[HiHater]

Because, if you listen to the call, he was on the cut through street and didn't know the name of the street. This leads me to believe he did get out to find the street sign and figured when they called back, he could tell them.

Zimmerman does not live in that gated community, as has been said here over and over, so he didn't know the interior street names.

How did he end up so far away from his truck (on the street) that he could no longer see street signs?

I think the cutthrough is grass/sidewalk, not a road.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[EGirl]

Where did I say that? Please, I beg you to go and find where I said that!

You're corect, it was HiHater that posted that definition and where that line of posting originated from.

So the answer the poster was asking is a person that defends themselves in their home always label a KILLER, even if defending themselves.

A tangent really.

 

[Emeralgem]

Because he had to resume his duty as the "Neighborhood Watch Captain." :banghead:

Anyone who thinks that that is normal behavior?? I just don't know? He had just killed someone and he wants to go out and purchase another gun and go right back to work? :banghead:

I let out a "GASP" when I read he wants another gun... IMHO. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to purchase another a gun after killing someone.. JMHO..