A Continental plane has crashed into a house in Buffalo, New York.

  • #101
Latest update. According to investigators it is very likely that pilot error is the direct cause of the crash. There is evidence that the crew inadvertently slowed down to such a low speed that the stall warning (stick shaker) activated, to which the pilot(s) did not react properly. Instead of pushing the nose of the aircraft down to increase speed they pulled up which immediately put the aircraft into a full stall from which recovery was not possible. It is possible that preoccupation with possible icing caused the crew to lose track of their airspeed. There was no SOS.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,495267,00.html
 
  • #102
There is already a substantial article on Wikipedia about this accident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Connection_Flight_3407

Apparently the crew inadvertently let the air speed fall below stall threshold, which caused the autopilot to initiate stall recovery on its own. This involves putting the aircraft into a nosedive to gain speed asap but it looks like the pilot(s) misinterpreted the maneuver as an uncommanded dive and pulled the yoke to override the autopilot, which resulted in a deep stall causing them to fall from the sky.

There seems to be little doubt left that the cause of the crash was pilot error :(
 
  • #103
Latest findings appear to confirm that two major pilot errors lead to the crash of Flight 3407. According to the flight data recorder recovered from the plane by the NTSB the crew first let the aircraft's speed drop to the stalling point -an aircraft "stalls" when its air speed is too low to maintain lift- and then reacted improperly when the imminent stall warning activated. The Dash-8 has an advanced stall recovery system that pushes the yoke when the yoke shaker activates, causing the nose to dip in order to acquire speed asap, but one of the pilots countered this by pulling on his/her yoke. This caused the aircraft to enter a "deep stall" situation which is almost always unrecoverable at low altitude. The NTSB has confirmed that there was no mechanical problem detected, all systems on the aircraft were working properly.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_354758.html

As the article states the NTSB has scheduled a special hearing on this particular crash next month, which will involve all 5 members of the Board. This is highly unusual and likely aimed at getting the FAA's full attention. It is expected that the NTSB will ask the FAA issues an air directive (a new binding regulation) regarding the training of flight crews operating large, fast turboprop airliners, more specifically the Bombardier Dash-8 series. Several feeder airlines are currently in the process of replacing their unreliable ERJ's (not to be confused with the CRJ) with Dash-8's and word is the NTSB is concerned that ERJ crews transitioning to the Dash-8 are not sufficiently trained in the handling characteristics of the type and its avionics.


Hundreds of Dash-8's are currently on order so one can see why proper crew training is becoming a pressing issue.
 
  • #104
  • #105
The NTSB has published an animation recreating the last minutes of the flight leading up to the crash. Aircraft is seen in chase view with main instrument settings at the bottom of the screen and cockpit crew conversation transcript printed near the aircraft.

For those interested I suggest viewing the video first just looking at the plane in flight and reading crew comments as events unfold. Next look at it again paying close attention to the ASI (air speed indicator, bottom left) as well as the "stick shaker" in the middle.

What the animation shows is pretty appalling. There was no equipment malfunction, the crew simply failed to properly monitor their air speed and let the aircraft stall. An aircraft "stalls" when there is insufficient airflow to generate lift, causing it to fall down. As with most modern airliners the Dash 8's autopilot is programmed to compensate for human error -to a certain point- but in this instance it did not have enough altitude to play with and could not recover.

It is not up to us to determine the extent of the airline's responsibility in this accident, or even if the airline is responsible at all, but one is left to wonder about the level of training received by the crew in operating this type of aircraft. The Dash 8 is enjoying growing popularity among regional carriers and has an excellent reputation in the industry, but is also known to be somewhat tricky to fly at low speed due to its narrow wing and "T-tail" rear end, which are designed for speed. Because of this, special care must be be exercised by the crew at monitoring air speed during final approach, especially in weather prone to cause icing, something that wasn't done in this case, resulting in a tail stall.

It is even more difficult to understand considering that their attention was not being distracted by some other problem as was often the case in other notorious accidents caused by crew inattention, such as Eastern Airlines Flight 401 and United Flight 173. Leading edge icing did occur but that was to be expected, and it did not significantly affect the aircraft's flight characteristics since it is designed to deal with it efficiently. The icing however prompted the crew to launch into a discussion unrelated to actually flying the plane during a critical phase of the flight (final approach), and they lost track of their air speed until it was too late. I'm having difficulty understanding how an experienced pilot would allow himself to be distracted by a casual conversation when his aircraft is in a "dirty" configuration (flaps and landing gear down) and thus prone to lose speed at a significant rate.

For its part the manufacturer of the aircraft, Bombardier Aerospace, has said that it was considering setting the stick shaker threshold at a slightly higher speed, depending on the aircraft's current configuration, to alert pilots of impending tail stall, and will advise the FAA to enact more stringent training standards, including training sessions at the manufacturer's own facilities in Canada, for the many airlines operating the Dash 8.

[video=youtube;lxywEE1kK6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxywEE1kK6I[/video]

Note: HOT-1 is the Captain, HOT-2 is the First Officer and it has nothing to do with their looks ;), it's simply NTSB lingo for identified cockpit crew voices on CVR transcripts. CAM is cockpit area monitor which picks up all cockpit sounds of any source, and RDO is radio com from accident aircraft.
 
  • #106
Linkage

Piedmont denies "deal' to uncover whistle-blowers
Union says airline offered pilots "free pass' on tests
by Tom Precious
News Albany Bureau
Updated: March 07, 2010, 12:25 am
Published: March 07, 2010, 6:54 am

ALBANY — Piedmont Airlines has offered its pilots a "free pass" on required, annual safety training that tests their flying skills in return for providing names of fellow pilots who anonymously raised concerns to The Buffalo News in January about an airline safety device, its pilot union has charged.

An executive at Piedmont, a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways that flies into Buffalo and 54 other cities, approached "numerous" pilots offering a trade: turn in the names of the whistle-blowers in return for a pass on their Continuing Qualification training and a five-day break from flying duty, the union charges.

The claim was made in a March 2 letter to Piedmont President Steve Farrow from the chairman of Piedmont's affiliate of the Air Line Pilots Association, a union of commercial airline pilots.


I don't really know what to say other than this is absolutely horrendous!! :furious:
 
  • #107
For those interested the NTSB has released its final report on the Colgan Air (Continental Express) crash. The findings contain no surprises. The aircraft was found to be free of any malfunctions and had no design flaws that could have contributed to the crash.

Flatly said, the accident was caused by pilot error, namely failure to heed warnings issued by the aircraft's instruments regarding an imminent stall situation. Contributing factors cited are crew fatigue, lack of training, poor cockpit discipline (CRM) during final approach and overconfidence in the plane's automated systems.

The aircraft involved is a Bombardier Q400 ("Dash 8"), reputedly the most advanced turboprop passenger carrier in service. Like modern jets it is highly automated but nevertheless the crew is expected to carefully monitor instruments during crucial phases of the flight, especially during final approach when human intervention is very likely to be required.

It was found that the crew were being distracted by being engaged in an unrelated conversation as the aircraft was nearing stall speed. Ultimately a stall did occur and the captain was unable to recover due to low altitude.

Hopefully this report will prompt the FAA to get on regional airlines' case regarding crew training on such advanced aircraft.

NTSB report PDF file: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2010/AAR1001.pdf
 
  • #108
Linkage

Piedmont denies "deal' to uncover whistle-blowers
Union says airline offered pilots "free pass' on tests
by Tom Precious
News Albany Bureau
Updated: March 07, 2010, 12:25 am
Published: March 07, 2010, 6:54 am

ALBANY — Piedmont Airlines has offered its pilots a "free pass" on required, annual safety training that tests their flying skills in return for providing names of fellow pilots who anonymously raised concerns to The Buffalo News in January about an airline safety device, its pilot union has charged.

An executive at Piedmont, a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways that flies into Buffalo and 54 other cities, approached "numerous" pilots offering a trade: turn in the names of the whistle-blowers in return for a pass on their Continuing Qualification training and a five-day break from flying duty, the union charges.

The claim was made in a March 2 letter to Piedmont President Steve Farrow from the chairman of Piedmont's affiliate of the Air Line Pilots Association, a union of commercial airline pilots.


I don't really know what to say other than this is absolutely horrendous!! :furious:

You gotta be kidding? The FAA will eat Piedmont alive.
 

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