AR - Aaron Spencer, 36, a man was stalking his 14 yo dau, killed him, faces 1st degree murder charge, Lonoke County, 8 Oct 2024

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Erin Cassinelli and Michael Kaiser, attorneys for Spencer, released the following statement:

Today’s opinions from the Arkansas Supreme Court are clear and unequivocal – the circuit court in this case was wrong in every facet of its entry of a gag order in this case. The opinions also make clear what should be obvious to anyone – the circuit court has demonstrated a pattern of efforts to shield the proceedings, and its role in them, from the public. The question that must be asked is why? At least three Justices found it obvious – self-preservation, not justice. From the prosecutor’s request for a sweeping gag order to the circuit court’s sealing the entire case – “in barely enough time to make a pot of coffee”- it is clear that the prosecutor and circuit court intended to stifle exactly what the First Amendment protects – criticism of elected officials. Indeed, the motion for the gag order was made in response to criticisms of the prosecutor and circuit court – rightful criticisms of their actions that “set off a chain of events that led to the fatal confrontation that’s the subject of this case. ” In fact, there remains no record of a public court proceeding that explains how or why the circuit court imposed a wholly ineffective bond on Michael Fosler that served to protect nobody. As the Court expressed, it is imperative in our system that the public be permitted to see the operations of justice, and that is especially important in a case like this one - where the public has a strong interest in a justice system that treats Aaron Spencer and others fairly and justly but also in a justice system that acts prudently to protect the public when necessary. When the light of transparency shines through, it is clear that neither the prosecutor nor the circuit court have operated to fulfill these important public interests as it relates to Michael Fosler or the Spencer family. It is no routine matter that three Justices on our highest court felt it important enough to formalize their belief that the circuit court’s actions in this case were so entrenched and troubling that another judge should take over in the case. It’s important to remember, too, that these unacceptable and unconstitutional efforts to stifle speech and foreclose criticism are not just the circuit court’s efforts but the prosecuting attorney’s as well. We hope that both officials take care to remove themselves from this case so as to indicate to the public that they understand and appreciate that fairness, transparency, and maintaining the appearance of impropriety are critical to our justice system. Thankfully, this State’s highest Court took great care in its analysis and made it very clear that this behavior is unconstitutional and intolerable. The Court has given clear guidelines for gag orders that will help the public, litigants, and courts across the state appropriately assess case-related speech as balanced with the strong First Amendment protections that are a bedrock of our society. No longer will state courts be permitted to allow a prosecutor to release alarming and potentially misleading information while a circuit court blanketly restricts a citizen’s public explanation of his innocence. “Gag orders are a last resort, not a first impulse. ” We appreciate the Arkansas Supreme Court turning the lights back on in Lonoke County.

 
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Next hearing is August 8th.


My mind hasn't changed since hearing more details.

"The statement criticized prosecutors for bringing charges against Spencer at all”
 
  • #104
agree w the appeal court. gag order should never have been entered. MOO it was all about CYA and nothing to do with justice.

I look forward to watching this case play out now that it's been lifted.
 
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02/25/2025 @ 4:14PMMOTION IN LIMINEMOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE REFERENCE TO ALLEGED GLASS SMOKING DEVICE FOUND IN PATROL CRUISER PURSUANT TO ARK. R. EVID. 402, 403, AND 404(b) AND ANDREW V. WHITE, 220 L. Ed. 2d 340 (U.S. 2025)KAISER, MICHAEL KIELNone

interesting. Defense's Motion in Limine. Wonder what is up with that? I can think of several things that would be smoked from a glass pipe. Used to be you only ever heard about those in relation to crack cocaine. Commonly known as a crack pipe.

But since marijuana became legal in some states, weed is often smoked from the same variety of glass smoking "devices".

I can only assume the device was found in the cruiser that Mr. Spencer was taken to into custody in. Which might indicate he had that on him when taken into custody and attempted to offload it prior to being removed from the vehicle at the station. Keep in mind that recreational marijuana is NOT legal in Arkansas. So even if the device was used for the purpose of smoking weed, it could cause the jury to form a bad opinion of Mr. Spencer. JMO thoughts on the motion and possible reasoning behind it.
okay replying to myself. I have heard rumblings about the nature of the discovery of the glass pipe and they are troubling if true. Hoping now the gag order is tossed we will shortly be able to discuss the actual facts around this pipe, it's discovery, and the defendant's claims as to how it came or didn't come to be in the back of that cruiser with him, and further, who located it brought it to everyone's attention, etc.
 
  • #106
Absolutely justified.
 
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I don't have daughters, but I absolutely know that had we lived in the US when I was 13 and should it have it happened to me, my dad would have done exactly the same that Aaron Spencer did. Stood for his daughter against the pedophile.

So IMHO, Aaron's actions are justified.
 
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it says this for me:

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  • #112
I don't have daughters, but I absolutely know that had we lived in the US when I was 13 and should it have it happened to me, my dad would have done exactly the same that Aaron Spencer did. Stood for his daughter against the pedophile.

So IMHO, Aaron's actions are justified.
I still think he should face a jury of his peers. American juries tend to be pretty sympathetic to these things.
 
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I still think he should face a jury of his peers. American juries tend to be pretty sympathetic to these things.
Or maybe just a grand jury.

One Dallas County DA had the policy to send essentially all self defense claims occurring outside of a home to the Grand Jury. He even sent cases that he knew were very likely to be rejected.

Dallas had just gotten over a deep scandal involving the rigged prosecution of innocent several black defendants who had been sentenced to decades in prison.
The DA wanted total transparency and not DA screens self defense claims:

- Some humans with certain melanin levels get a broad definition of "self defense" and the benefit of doubt(s) (wink, nod)
- But...other humans with different melanin levels always get fast forwarded for prosecution.

All the above aside, the only circumstances that I can see that would lead to a conviction would be say, the father had ordered to daughter to keep contact with the deceased in the hopes of setting up a contrived situation.
 
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Or maybe just a grand jury.

One Dallas County DA had the policy to send essentially all self defense claims occurring outside of a home to the Grand Jury. He even sent cases that he knew were very likely to be rejected.

Dallas had just gotten over a deep scandal involving the rigged prosecution of innocent several black defendants who had been sentenced to decades in prison.
The DA wanted total transparency and not DA screens self defense claims:

- Some humans with certain melanin levels get a broad definition of "self defense" and the benefit of doubt(s) (wink, nod)
- But...other humans with different melanin levels always get fast forwarded for prosecution.

All the above aside, the only circumstances that I can see that would lead to a conviction would be say, the father had ordered to daughter to keep contact with the deceased in the hopes of setting up a contrived situation.
He was not indicted by a grand jury, but did win an appeal on the gag order in this case.
 
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Or maybe just a grand jury.

One Dallas County DA had the policy to send essentially all self defense claims occurring outside of a home to the Grand Jury. He even sent cases that he knew were very likely to be rejected.

Dallas had just gotten over a deep scandal involving the rigged prosecution of innocent several black defendants who had been sentenced to decades in prison.
The DA wanted total transparency and not DA screens self defense claims:

- Some humans with certain melanin levels get a broad definition of "self defense" and the benefit of doubt(s) (wink, nod)
- But...other humans with different melanin levels always get fast forwarded for prosecution.

All the above aside, the only circumstances that I can see that would lead to a conviction would be say, the father had ordered to daughter to keep contact with the deceased in the hopes of setting up a contrived situation.
True. this is one benefit of grand juries, that they can examine cases like this in relative privacy. If the case is as given in the media, I doubt it would proceed.
 
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He was not indicted by a grand jury, but did win an appeal on the gag order in this case.
Wow, no grand jury indictment?

So, the DA cannot go the road of the Dallas DA by saying: "Ok, given the historical targeted nature of vigilante killings in Arkansas, I will defer to the community as a whole via the Grand jury process regarding these types of cases".

Evidently the DA has said what is publicaly available is not the full story. I am thinking that the DA will need to have some very strong aggravating circumstances to get a conviction. With no grand jury indictment, it almost seems like a road to malicious prosecution.
 
  • #118
A 67 year old driving off with a 14 year old!
The prosecutors should have shown some understanding in the fact the father just saved his daughter's life and deadly force is an option to use.
It was obviously too much to ask of LE to show commonsense so hopefully a jury nullification will save the day.
This case demonstrates unnecessary time wasting by authorities which is entirely avoidable and just fuels anger and discontentment in the community.
 
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Wow, no grand jury indictment?

So, the DA cannot go the road of the Dallas DA by saying: "Ok, given the historical targeted nature of vigilante killings in Arkansas, I will defer to the community as a whole via the Grand jury process regarding these types of cases".

Evidently the DA has said what is publicaly available is not the full story. I am thinking that the DA will need to have some very strong aggravating circumstances to get a conviction. With no grand jury indictment, it almost seems like a road to malicious prosecution.
The appeal hearing was interesting to watch, I linked it somewhere up thread. I think the prosecution may have a tough road ahead of them.

Unless the “real truth” involves a conspiracy/setup - something like he was lured by the daughter to pick her up, then told Dad where they were, so he could kill him.

There is still something that bothers me about the credibility of Aaron. The mention of the glass pipe found in the backseat of the cop car the night he taken in. It could have been placed by a earlier former occupant and the officer missed it. But what if Aaron was under the influence of a narcotic that night?

I’ve sort of put the brakes on my previous outrage and wholesale support until that matter is cleared up.
 
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