Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[Deleted member 39678]

I guess it's a matter of perception. I believe she is saying she "doesn't remember" because she's faking some if not all of the "kidnapping." I call that a lack of cooperation. You might not.

She has given information to LE so I would say that she is cooperating. Just because she may not have given enough details to satisfy everyone doesn't mean she's not cooperating with LE. JMO

 

[TTF14]

She has given information to LE so I would say that she is cooperating. Just because she may not have given enough details to satisfy everyone doesn't mean she's not cooperating with LE. JMO

I disagree. I don't feel that she's cooperating.

 

[MaryG12]

I know what people advocate or what they think they'd do. But the patterns of human behavior show that really only guilty people clam up and ask for an attorney. Even if and when questions get hard as they will and must at the outset.

When your kid goes missing or your spouse they will first ask basic info and then will hone in one you. Your whereabouts. Your feelings. Do you know where your loved one is. Did you hurt them.

In those first few days a truly panicked and desperate parent or spouse isn't calmly ending the conversation and asking for an attorney. I don't care what anyone thinks they would or thinks they should do. That's your child or spouse. No one who is innocent gives a damn about their own skin at a time like that. They will answer any question, take lie detector tests, go through interrogation, be accused. A truly innocent person won't care. That's just human behavior. It has nothing to do with what's smart or wise. Innocent and desperate people will walk through fire to rescue their loved one.

John Walsh and Marc Klaas have attested to that over and over again:

"If someone refuses a polygraph, then they don’t really care or love that person.” John Walsh
http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2011/04/24/john-walsh-talks-about-holly-bobo-case/

BBM

My dear late father, a former state policeman, used to say the same thing. Maybe it's because he was a member of LE, or the time period he was with LE, or both (1950's - early 1970's) but back then, a policeman was not someone to be afraid of but rather someone to feel safe around, someone who helped those who needed help, not just in cases of kidnappings or missing persons, but someone who would help a stranded driver change a flat tire on their car, something Dad did many times during his career.

 

[sumzero]

They say that there is an estimated 4% of folks, who are sitting on death row, who are innocent. In the grand scheme of things that number doesn't sound very large, but it would definitely suck to be in that number.

Just for the record, who is "they"?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I disagree. I don't feel that she's cooperating.

That's fine and I can understand why you have doubts about Sherri's truthfulness.

LE has publicly said that they have no reason to not believe her account.

Police: 'No Reason to Disbelieve' Sherri Papini's Story, Investigating Past Activities

"We currently have no reason to disbelieve Sherri Papini's story, Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko said on Sunday. "She was assaulted and had injuries which she was treated for."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-rea...is-story-investigating-past/story?id=43816705

 

[bluesneakers]

Just for the record, who is "they"?

How many are sentenced to death in the United States for crimes they did not commit?

A new study believes the figure is 1 in every 25—or 4.1 percent.

In all, the study, "Rate of False Conviction of Criminal Defendants Who Are Sentenced to Death," shows that more than half of the innocent people sentenced to death in the past 41 years are unaccounted for.

http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed-us-innocent-study-claims-248889

 

[TTF14]

That's fine and I can understand why you have doubts about Sherri's truthfulness.

LE has publicly said that they have no reason to not believe her account.

Police: 'No Reason to Disbelieve' Sherri Papini's Story, Investigating Past Activities





http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-rea...is-story-investigating-past/story?id=43816705

Yes, I'm familiar with the case.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, I'm familiar with the case.

It's also possible that LE publicly lied about them believing Sherri's account but so far I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that she fabricated the events that have been told.

JMO

 

[evelezrn]

No, but it's been acting weird. Suddenly scrolls down the screen on me in the middle of typing.

Me too. And my "thanks" button never works anymore.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, I would care very much if my child was missing and the police arrested me. Talk about what is a natural human response! I would be distressed beyond words that LE was focused on the wrong person, and possibly overlooking clues/evidence that could mean the difference between life or death for my missing child.

I try not to imagine the actual horror of ANY of the criminal cases I read about or have followed, especially those involving missing/violated/murdered children, which for the most part I avoid altogether- too painful.

But yes, as a mother who would literally & willingly die for my son if it came to that, I can readily accept that I'd almost certainly feel the agony you describe if...

Maybe we are simply talking past one another, though? I didn't say I would stop talking to LE, nor that I'd stop cooperating. It seems a false (and dangerous) choice to assert that one can either cooperate with LE OR one can protect oneself.

One can do both. One says to LE- I need desperately to help you find my child, but since it looks like you are turning your focus on me, I also need to protect myself, for my sake,and for my child's sake, because your focus on me might be wasting irreplaceable time . Lawyer. Now. Please.

I am not asking you if you would care once you are arrested if your kid was missing. I think it's clear what I'm asking. I'm asking if you think you would be at all entertaining the possibility of your own arrest or your own welfare or anything regarding YOU when confronted with a missing child.

The cool logic you describe may sound great - "I need desperately to help you find my child, but since it looks like you are turning your focus on me, I also need to protect myself, for my sake,and for my child's sake, because your focus on me might be wasting irreplaceable time . Lawyer. Now. Please."- but it isn't related to realty or normal human behavior. It just isn't. Anyone following these cases for any length of time is aware of that. Anyone who has been through anything close is aware of that. There's a reason both Marc Klaas and John Walsh have repeatedly made statements supporting this line of thinking. They've been through it. As they've stated over and over- you do whatever you can to rule yourself out.

Any attorney would shut down communication immediately once you hire them. It would be over, except possibly some carefully worded responses to written questions. And once you do that the investigation stops almost dead in its tracks because LE can no longer eliminate the closest people to the missing.

As an attorney well versed in how people can be falsely accused, my spouse or kid goes missing? I'm cooperating fully. Period.

 

[Tdot]

I'm referring to the list of 10 things that was posted
I'm not talking about the Police lying
Do you have personal experience of that ? I'm a retired Detective Chief Inspector and I never lied during my Police career and most don't although as in any occupations there are always some bad apples and if you have personally experienced this then I'm sorry that you have met a 'bad apple' ...


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I have and more than a few others know to me personally have suffered from Police lies. I have even been assaulted by them. First time as kid at 17 in UK. Then a few years ago in Montreal, Canada.

First time I put down to me being young. 2nd time two decades later I had been warned what they were like in my new neighborhood. A friend had been done over by them 6 months prior and I just blamed him. Was not until it was my time for a beaten that I realized the local police were as bad as I had been told.

Also as a true crime reader we read often about Police lies. Look at the amount of evidence tampering from planting drugs, evidence and shooting folk we see in the news daily that the thin blue line hides. I am sure you were a honest cop but surely you cant be naive enough to think its one or two bad apples. They shake down clubs, bars, gambling dens etc in every single city I have lived in.

If they were questioning me about my missing kid or my neighbors missing newspaper I would make sure that I had engaged a Lawyer to protect me from them.

 

[gitana1]

You could disregard the advice, fire the attorney and hire another one. If the lawyer only tells you to not talk to police and say's you owe me $5000 and that's it I would recommend getting a different lawyer.

JMO

A lawyer would be committing malpractice by allowing you to answer questions of LE if you were a suspect. You won't find anyone. The advice would be all the same.

 

[nwmouse]

I disagree. I don't feel that she's cooperating.

Neither do I. :fishy:

 

[gitana1]

Have you ever been in the position that you've had to deal with LE over a child who has disappeared? I have. I've found that, for the the large majority, they were rather blasé, and uncaring about my child or helping us find our way to the station in another frickin' state. If the fingers start getting pointed at me, then yes, I'd have a lawyer with me, when I help them find my child. I'll be of no use to my missing kid, nor my others who are not, if I'm locked up b/c of LE's errors (and, many times, tunnel vision).

I have not had a child go missing. My sister in law was missing for awhile before they identified her body. I know what those days are like.

Based on my experience and all I have seen and heard from parents of kids that went missing (not incorrigible teens that won't come home or child custody disputes), it is clear that normal human behavior of those who are innocent and love their children is not to lawyer up. I have not seen one innocent family do that unless months has passed with zero movement and it is clear LE views you as a suspect.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

A lawyer would be committing malpractice by allowing you to answer questions of LE if you were a suspect. You won't find anyone. The advice would be all the same.

What if you're a "person of interest" and not a "suspect". Does the law differentiate between the two?

 

[Quiet Time]

No, but it's been acting weird. Suddenly scrolls down the screen on me in the middle of typing.

Me too, only I'm just reading and it scrolls down to the bottom of the page.

I've had the pop up 'winner ' on other sights, or call att due to a virus...but not on the websleuths site.

 

[Lilibet]

:bump: Did everyone get the memo? eace:

:deadhorse:

Okay, so now that everyone has had their say on what they themselves would do if their spouse or child was abducted/missing and whether hiring an attorney is an indicator of guilt or a wise move in such a circumstance, let's move forward and leave this poor dead horse laying right here.

 

[natsound]

LE said this about Denise Huskins who was kidnapped in 2015.



LE felt that Denise Huskins didn't tell them everything she knew. They felt she fabricated the whole thing.

They were wrong.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-hoax-denise-huskins-20160801-snap-story.html

We are moving off topic here, but did DH first tell LE that she was not sexually assaulted, then told them she was assaulted? I vaguely remember LE had some misinformation to work with for a while. And it's been said she wouldn't cooperate with LE right away, but did we ever learn why? Was she warned not to tell?

Editing to say, while this thread is about SP not DH, it's interesting to compare the circumstances of the two cases where the question of a hoax has been raised. In DH's case she really was kidnapped, and in SP's case the truth is still not known.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I hope that this Thanksgiving Day Miracle is that SP regains her memory.

 

[Rayemonde]

We are moving off topic here, but did DH first tell LE that she was not sexually assaulted, then told them she was assaulted? I vaguely remember LE had some misinformation to work with for a while. And it's been said she wouldn't cooperate with LE right away, but did we ever learn why? Was she warned not to tell?

Editing to say, while this thread is about SP not DH, it's interesting to compare the circumstances of the two cases where the question of a hoax has been raised. In DH's case she really was kidnapped, and in SP's case the truth is still not known.

According to the documents, lead detective Mathew Mustard stated last March, “I was skeptical of Mr. Quinn’s story because of its outlandish nature,” referring to Huskins’ boyfriend Aaron Quinn.

He continued, writing “I found it unusual that (Huskins) denied being a victim, did not wish to speak with Huntington Beach police, and instead wanted to speak with her lawyer. Strangest of all, when law enforcement arranged to fly Ms. Huskins to Vallejo, where all her family had gathered, she rejected the offer. I found it odd that a recently released kidnap victim would not want to go to her family.”

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/...ejo-police-doubted-denise-huskins-kidnapping/