CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Snoop Sister]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-still-no-evidence-that-missing-nova-scotia-children-

The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.

Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.

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The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.

This was news to me regarding the children were last seen with Daniel getting groceries in New Glasgow.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The article is still there. It actually says 6:17 am.

Still no evidence that missing Nova Scotia children were kidnapped, RCMP say

Mounties investigation continues after Lilly, Jack Sullivan disappeared from Lansdowne nearly six weeks ago

www.theglobeandmail.com

This was the link shared earlier https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-still-no-evidence-that-missing-nova-scotia-children-/ and when I click on it, I get the 404: Page Not Found.

 

[Sarahlou]

This was the link shared earlier https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-still-no-evidence-that-missing-nova-scotia-children-/ and when I click on it, I get the 404: Page Not Found.

The address changed but the article and info is still there.

https://archive.ph/4KzTn

 

[Snoop Sister]

This was the link shared earlier https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-still-no-evidence-that-missing-nova-scotia-children-/ and when I click on it, I get the 404: Page Not Found.

I get the same re 404

 

[Ontario Mom]

The address changed but the article and info is still there.

https://archive.ph/4KzTn

How ironic that your post is #404 on this thread, on a page that 404'd out.

 

[Sarahlou]

How ironic that your post is #404 on this thread, on a page that 404'd out.

Haha I didn't even notice that

 

[tarabull]

The address changed but the article and info is still there.

https://archive.ph/4KzTn

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...The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.
Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.
The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.
Roughly four hours later, Ms. Brooks-Murray called 911 and reported Lilly and Jack missing. Both she and Mr. Martell have said they were dozing in bed and awoke to find the children gone. They assumed the kids put on their boots, went out the back door and escaped the wood and chicken wire fence that surrounds the back yard of the home, he told The Globe and Mail.

 

[musicaljoke]

I think you might be surprised at how many people don't follow the social media rumors on cases.
I've always been thankful they're not allowed here because I prefer discussions based on facts. I'm probably dating myself when I say I always loved the line attributed to "Joe Friday" played by Jack Webb on Dragnet: "just the facts, ma'am".

In this case, bio dad appears to not be in the picture at all, and as far as I know, neither LE or any MSM outlet have even mentioned him.

I don't believe we even know if there was just one bio dad, or two.

 

[MistyWaters]

……In this case, bio dad appears to not be in the picture at all, and as far as I know, neither LE or any MSM outlet have even mentioned him.

As birth records and Family Court are private and confidential, I don’t think it’s possible for the media to know exactly who he is outside of unverified gossip and rumours. So he’s just not getting mentioned at all, probably the way he wants it. However media reported the name of the paternal grandma attending the recent vigil which indicates she likely resides not too far away and is concerned over the disappearance. But not knowing anything at all of biodad is kind of like attempting to put a puzzle together with half of the pieces missing.
JMO

 

[Chimera]

Could the kids have got their hands on power tools Daniel left lying about from evening before? Just a thought

As I type this , I don't think the kids came to harm by either of the parents hands . If Maleyha had anything on Daniel I think we would have had news of a formal arrest. She would just come out and say off the bat he killed my kids .

In ireland a suspect can be arrested and questioned for up to 7 days with breaks for rest if the suspect opts for them , longer than I think 6 hours has to be approved by a judge . This can be done without finding a body . If the suspect opts to stay silent they are released without charge until more evidence transpires and in some cases a file of evidence sent to the DPP ( director of Public prosecutions )

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/arrests/detention-after-arrest/#:~:text=How%20long%20can%20I%20be,of%20Chief%20Superintendent%20or%20higher.

Accusations towards one another in a crisis I feel can be done in anger and fear especially in dysfunctional, immature relationships .( generally it happens re Accusations of precieved infidelity in drunken arguments ) so prehaps Daniel is hopeful for a reconciliation

Here is my hypothesis on what happened,

Imo I don't think the relationship was a healthy one , I think it was akin to a teenage relationship dynamic. Lots of petty arguments, probably name calling and prehaps emotional ,financial and mental abuse . Most likely Daniel was the more stricter parent and most likely controlling. We can see in his interviews he is not humble in his opinion of his parenting and quite possibly feels superior to Maleyha in this regard But to the average Joe. It would appear on the surface at least . It was a normal family that have their troubles like the rest of us . I think the kids might have been fearful of upsetting him and thread carefully not to push the boundaries as living in a small abode I'm sure they would be witness to all of the above .

Usually in families where arguments are the norm usually one is the instigator or aggressor. Younger children will usually side and spend more time with the aggressor so as not to become a target or avoid them altogether

Daniel has said he repeatedly had to tell the kids to close the door when exiting into the yard . If we look at this , if you are a passive parent you may just say nothing the kids are young , kids will be kids etc they are 3 and 6 and I think only recently turned those ages . Do we really expect that level of responsibility from kids that young ?

Now back to the morning of the disappearance, I think the kids were yelled at that morning to be quiet ,you hardly whisper or speak in a low tone if you are in the bedroom and the kids in the kichen .depending on time maybe they were told to go back to bed , I think after 2 days running into 3 with no school they were bored and felt they would be able to be noiser in the yard without getting into trouble or yelled at . I think lilly closed the door and prehaps put a few toys or snacks in her backpack so as not to have to trouble Maleyha or Daniel until they decided to get up .

Now after this , is where it gets difficult. And it raises some questions. Did the children think they were in school and headed out to the road for the bus ? or did they think if they saw the bus driver , he might bring them to school as they were bored ? Remember kids of 3 and 6 don't think of the ins and outs of this . They just think the bus driver is our way to fun and other children .

Now from there at the side of the road . Did someone known to them or unknown to them take them to harm them ? As they were alone at the side of the road with no one watching. A stranger with nefarious intent may ask why are you at the side of a road, where are your parents ? The kids reply we are going to school and our parents are sleeping , stranger says get in I was sent to take you to school or something along those lines and as the kids will talk or go anywhere with anybody . Off they go

Or did they head out into the woods with the intent of finding a familiar place to play or have fun prehaps at the cabins ,Daniel refers to and got lost and tried to back track and got lost further ?

As a previous poster notes , it's in kids nature to not respond to the calling of their names if they think they are in the biggest trouble EVER particularly if the parent calling them is generally the one who doles out a spanking or some other punishment.

I think they are in the woods and unfortunately unless they have survival skills and know how and what to forage for and have access to water they are gone . Search and rescue no matter how throughout can miss remains or even people barely clinging to life let alone kids who may seek shelter in places adults wouldn't fit

Interesting about Ireland and the legal system there for questioning people.

My first thought was firmly in the camp of wandered into the woods, but I think the search dogs didn't indicate a trail where they might have walked off ?
Dogs' noses are sensitive and imo the pull-up Jack was wearing should've given off a strong scent ?
LE do not seem to believe there was an abduction.
So what's left ?
Omo.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't believe we even know if there was just one bio dad, or two.

Very true, it may just be an assumption they both have the same father because they share the same last name. We also don’t know if MBM was at one point married to the biodad, then later divorced or did she ever change from her maiden name.

 

[Chimera]

I don't believe we even know if there was just one bio dad, or two.

Agreed.
There could be different dads for Jack and Lilly ?
Omo.

 

[Ontario Mom]

As birth records and Family Court are private and confidential, I don’t think it’s possible for the media to know exactly who he is outside of unverified gossip and rumours. So he’s just not getting mentioned at all, probably the way he wants it. However media reported the name of the paternal grandma attending the recent vigil which indicates she likely resides not too far away and is concerned over the disappearance. But not knowing anything at all of biodad is kind of like attempting to put a puzzle together with half of the pieces missing.
JMO

I have zero doubt LE know all that they need to know about all the people in these kid's lives.

 

[su5ie]

I have zero doubt LE know all that they need to know about all the people in these kid's lives.

He most likely among the 54 people interviewed

 

[MistyWaters]

I have zero doubt LE know all that they need to know about all the people in these kid's lives.

Yes the RCMP definitely know. Access to information is not prevented from LE during the course of an investigation.

My comment was in reference to lack of media reporting.

 

[iveyguy]

I don't think the kids came to harm by either of the parents hands . If Maleyha had anything on Daniel I think we would have had news of a formal arrest. She would just come out and say off the bat he killed my kids .

I agree with this. Her own mother publicly accused him ~24 hours into the search, and I have to believe that these suspicions were shared with LE. If she were able to convincingly contradict his story, I think he would have been arrested by now.

Now after this , is where it gets difficult.

There is at least one other family member living on property and almost certainly other adults that frequent the property. These individuals (mostly) avoid scrutnity because we don't know who they are or anything about them. Based on the total lack of physical evidence, other than a footprint in the driveway(?), I'm of the opinion that these children left the property in a car.

As we know, two missing young children is extremely uncommon. In past threads, other members have found only a few cases like this to use as precedents, and most involved a family or household member.

So I believe the most probable scenario is foul play by someone who was at the property, and is known by DM and/or MBM, but unknown by the rest of us. In this scenario: DM & MBM are telling true stories about the disappearance; MBM leaves because she suspects this "predator"; MBM's Mom blames DM for allow it to happen; DM is eager to prove his innocence, but can't or won't accept the reality that someone he knows is involved... Meanwhile, everyone else is silent because they have a good idea of what happened, but no proof to help make an arrest.

 

[Veridex]

I just got banned from the discussion group on Facebook. Good riddance honestly all of the posts in there are very speculative and harmful and just so out of pocket. Someone made a post wondering if the RCMP changed malaya's Facebook status to single to try to get a response from the stepdad and I got banned because I commented saying the post was delusional. The admins were in the comments on the post were telling people to be nice or they would be banned lol.

 

[Ontario Mom]

So I believe the most probable scenario is foul play by someone who was at the property, and is known by DM and/or MBM, but unknown by the rest of us. In this scenario: DM & MBM are telling true stories about the disappearance; MBM leaves because she suspects this "predator"; MBM's Mom blames DM for allow it to happen; DM is eager to prove his innocence, but can't or won't accept the reality that someone he knows is involved... Meanwhile, everyone else is silent because they have a good idea of what happened, but no proof to help make an arrest.

RSBM

That sounds quite possible. I'd have to wonder though, why?
If only one child were missing the motive would almost certainly be perverted in nature as it often is when an adult disappears a child.
But for an adult, known to the parents, to take both children? It seems like the circle of suspects would be pretty small & whoever that is would have already been questioned in depth.

 

[abanddb123]

Both of them know something. Jmo.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Reason for his optimism?

Stepfather of missing N.S. children shares details of polygraph test

The stepfather of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County says he took a polygraph test to help the police investigation.

www.ctvnews.ca

The children’s stepfather says he’s grateful for the investigators and the people who continue to share tips. He adds the family remains hopeful the children will return home safe.

“It’s kind of mind-boggling that there’s not been any evidence at all,” he said. “I appreciate every tip, but it kind of leaves a lot of room to the imagination of what really went on.

They do not want to believe two young children are dead. Without a body or proof of death, why would you concede that? People have remained in denial of the likely fates of their loved ones in much more unlikely circumstances.