CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

I wouldn’t call it lying or mistruth.

I would call it strategic

There’s a huge difference between LE applying a strategy in interactions with a suspect and interactions with the Court. Under no circumstances is it legal for anyone including the RCMP to lie to the Court, strategy or otherwise.

ETA: Just imagine the outrage if an RCMP officer was allowed to apply to the court to obtain private information or search houses on a whole pile of lies? For a potential suspect be wrongfully framed by LE would be something one might expect to happen only in a third world country.

 

[MistyWaters]

Hi Su5ie, can you repost the court documents that show timeliness and redacted info, or tell me where I will find it. Thanks

Not the OP but to your question, it doesn’t appear the actual documents are published anywhere, just passing reference by the various reporters in the articles pertaining to their release.

For example, CBC.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

 

[TMich6811]

There’s a huge difference between LE applying a strategy in interactions with a suspect and interactions with the Court. Under no circumstances is it legal for anyone including the RCMP to lie to the Court, strategy or otherwise.

Again - Where did that that poster say lie? You keep saying people are talking about them lying in court documents and I genuinely have no idea where you are pulling that from

 

[MistyWaters]

Again - Where did that that poster say lie? You keep saying people are talking about them lying in court documents and I genuinely have no idea where you are pulling that from

Is not ‘lying’ the present participle of the word ‘lie’?

I’m not interested in rehashing the contents of the August document release any further. But if you wish to refresh the content, the CBC link is just above.

 

[TMich6811]

Is not ‘lying’ the present participle of the word ‘lie’?

I’m not interested in rehashing the contents of the August document release any further. But if you wish to refresh the content, the CBC link is just above.

Please show me what number comment says that anyone can lie, has lied or condones lying in court documents.

 

[su5ie]

Hi Su5ie, can you repost the court documents that show timeliness and redacted info, or tell me where I will find it. Thanks

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

Hi Su5ie, can you repost the court documents that show timeliness and redacted info, or tell me where I will find it. Thanks

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

Court documents reveal items seized and found by police during search for Jack and Lilly Sullivan

13 records filed by the RCMP in their continuing major crime investigation offer new details into the investigation

www.theglobeandmail.com

The disappearance of Jack and Lilly Sullivan

Reporters Lindsay Jones and Greg Mercer on the search for the missing children, what we know about their lives and how tragedy has torn a family apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

As far as I'm aware these are articles and a podcast discussing the court documents. Give me a holler if they are not the correct ones , one is behind a 99c pay wall , if anyone has them archived be a big help I wrote my post from memory, the location of the original posted articles are somewhere in the middle of this thread . If you don't find them I will search later on tonight , I'm busy today with family but no problem helping later

 

[MistyWaters]

Please show me what number comment says that anyone can lie, has lied or condones lying in court documents.

Happy day, we can move on and agree that what was written is truthful. This was reaffirmed in a recent youtube video posted here, linked below. That is all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

“The redacted records, which were released at the request of CBC News, the Globe and Mail and the Canadian Press, include 12 record-access orders filed by RCMP and reveal that as of July 16 investigators did not believe the case was criminal in nature.“

Starting @ 8:28. “This is not a criminal investigation”.

 

[su5ie]

Or a not well-intentioned person? I mean, as long as you are thinking about a phone or iPad hidden in the backpack.
Not my primary thinking but I like the fresh ideas so taking off on them. Is Lilly too young to be groomed to that degree or not?

I don't mean as a grooming tool , I meant as a safety arrangement

 

[su5ie]

That's an interesting angle I hadn't considered yet. Who all benefits if a human was involved in their disappearance?

Cody was in jail or just got out IIRC? Who are his "friends" and associates? MBM mentioned maybe he picked them up, was this a subconscious thought? Was she half awake/woken up/confused and heard the car going back and forth and recognized the car as someone she's familiar with in the night?

I'm so bad at details of this case...so sorry I can't remember all the tidbits!

Cody was not in jail that has been cleared up , early on possibly start of thread one ,someone on SM posted that a cody sullivan had been in jail but it was not lilly and jacks dad .

 

[su5ie]

Please show me what number comment says that anyone can lie, has lied or condones lying in court documents.

I would call it being selective ,which is usually the word used by politicians and law enforcement to cover any base where full truths have not been told , another favourite of mine is , " in the interest of the course of the investigation " or for the protection of . And the response when found out , my all time favourite phrase from the powers that be " lessons will be learnt

I think we are all assuming everything that is said by everyone connected to the case is the full truth and nothing but the truth . The intricacies of an investigation and how officers conduct that investigation and obtain leads and court approved documents is so vast and wide , one could safely assume there is no blueprint way of doing it .

 

[twomoresmores]

Can anyone elaborate on the following..... If LE are building a case behind the scenes, what does this consist of? Presumably they don't have enough evidence to charge anyone at the moment so are waiting/looking for more evidence? Yet, adults have been questioned, homes and land searched, CCTV examined etc etc. And this hasn't allowed for a break in the case. So what will? Obvs finding the children could but assuming that doesn't happen anytime soon? After all, likely areas have been searched. Is LE waiting for a confession? Hoping someone's lips will loosen? I'm curious as to what sort of thing could be going on behind the scenes. What other investigative tools could be employed that perhaps yet haven't been?

 

[Bigditch]

Cody was not in jail that has been cleared up , early on possibly start of thread one ,someone on SM posted that a cody sullivan had been in jail but it was not lilly and jacks dad .

 

[Bigditch]

Happy day, we can move on and agree that what was written is truthful. This was reaffirmed in a recent youtube video posted here, linked below. That is all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

“The redacted records, which were released at the request of CBC News, the Globe and Mail and the Canadian Press, include 12 record-access orders filed by RCMP and reveal that as of July 16 investigators did not believe the case was criminal in nature.“

Starting @ 8:28. “This is not a criminal investigation”.

Thanks for posting. I had read that article but the way people were acting I thought a bombshell had been redacted in the court docs. As if there was a document at their disposal.

 

[Bigditch]

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

Court documents reveal items seized and found by police during search for Jack and Lilly Sullivan

13 records filed by the RCMP in their continuing major crime investigation offer new details into the investigation

www.theglobeandmail.com

The disappearance of Jack and Lilly Sullivan

Reporters Lindsay Jones and Greg Mercer on the search for the missing children, what we know about their lives and how tragedy has torn a family apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

As far as I'm aware these are articles and a podcast discussing the court documents. Give me a holler if they are not the correct ones , one is behind a 99c pay wall , if anyone has them archived be a big help I wrote my post from memory, the location of the original posted articles are somewhere in the middle of this thread . If you don't find them I will search later on tonight , I'm busy today with family but no problem helping later

Thank you. I should have known better than to think parts of the court docs were released to the public.

 

[Ontario Mom]

ADMIN NOTE:

The big difference though is ... that to speculate family are not innocent is a violation of one of Websleuths most fundamental principles. We basically give them the benefit of the doubt until it is no longer possible to do so.

from: The Rules: Etiquette & Information

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Thank you.

 

[Tricia]

Is not ‘lying’ the present participle of the word ‘lie’?

I’m not interested in rehashing the contents of the August document release any further. But if you wish to refresh the content, the CBC link is just above.

Please provide the link the member requested.
When members have questions about posts and ask for links we ask that you provide the link rather than tell them to scroll and find it. Thank you. I appreciate your help.
Tricia

 

[Ontario Mom]

Happy day, we can move on and agree that what was written is truthful. This was reaffirmed in a recent youtube video posted here, linked below. That is all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

“The redacted records, which were released at the request of CBC News, the Globe and Mail and the Canadian Press, include 12 record-access orders filed by RCMP and reveal that as of July 16 investigators did not believe the case was criminal in nature.“

Starting @ 8:28. “This is not a criminal investigation”.

I think this is very, very important. From that longer interview at the 9:30 time stamp:

Reporter: So to be clear, it's currently not a criminal investigation?

Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon: No it's not. We don't have any, we haven't collected any evidence or facts or information that suggests criminal investigation or charges or anything like that. So we are still investigating a missing person's act.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think this is very, very important. From that longer interview at the 9:30 time stamp:

Reporter: So to be clear, it's currently not a criminal investigation?

Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon: No it's not. We don't have any, we haven't collected any evidence or facts or information that suggests criminal investigation or charges or anything like that. So we are still investigating a missing person's act.

Yes me too, thank you for expanding his comment. The RCMP have been criticized for not saying enough about this case but does anyone care about what they do say, even if it doesn’t support the status quo?

I’m not suggesting the RCMP can’t change their mind if evidence of criminal acts suddenly presents itself, just that hasn’t happened yet.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks for posting. I had read that article but the way people were acting I thought a bombshell had been redacted in the court docs. As if there was a document at their disposal.

The discussion of redactions relates to this below but in all fairness, we don’t know what information was redacted (or blacked out) from the released documents, other than it seems by various reporter’s comments a lot of information was. It difficult to determine why the information about the school bus would need to be withheld from the public at first.
JMO

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

“The redacted documents made public in August include court applications filed by investigators for permission to conduct searches for phone records, banking records, and video related to the case. The RCMP agreed to remove some redactions this week, revealing that video surveillance was retrieved from the children’s school bus and that the bus driver joined the search for the children.

When asked why some redactions were removed while others remain in the documents, a spokesperson with the RCMP said those decisions lie with a judge. “Any questions in this regard are best directed to Nova Scotia courts.”

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Yesterday I came back from a short trip to PEI. My last trip two years ago I saw that many of the trees knocked over by Fiona were still leaning over, even in cities like Charlottetown. My impression was that, two years later, between natural decay and human repair, the downed trees have been mostly removed from inhabited areas. Even in hedgerows, though, there are still plenty of broken and uprooted trees.

Northern Nova Scotia is much less developed than the "million acre farm" on the other side of the Northumberland Strait. If the children are in the forests, it would be a surprise if they were easily found.